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I’m afraid that I almost have to agree. A little bit of Michael goes a long way, which is sort of the same way I feel about Dwight. I’d like to see them adjust the balance of the show so that it’s a little bit of everybody, not too much of any one character. I think it would be interesting to see a sitcom that didn’t believe it NEEDED a lead character. For example, the stuff last night where MIchael was talking to the camera about being stood up by Phyllis’ dad – not to mention the scene where he kept trying to convince the dad to sit down – were hysterical. But him actually interrupting the ceremony was simply too much. Same with the cake clip at the end. Too much. The show does such a great job with the “discomfort” moments – the smaller discomfort moments, as opposed to Michael’s big, outlandish moments – that I think it could actually be a better show if he was toned down a bit. I’d love to see them do an arc where Jan threatens to leave him if he doesn’t get his behavior under control. He could then go into therapy…

I agree. Michael was so over-the-top it was way beyond cringe-worthy. I like the subtle moments.

I actually agree. They seem to have fell into a pattern lately of making it all about Michael’s crazy antics, which isn’t that funny.

Even Dwight is over that top most of the times nowadays. The make him way too stupid. They need to be written more like people and less like cartoon characters.

I totally agree – I started fast forwarding whenever he started talking – and I never even saw most of this stuff in my irritation! Darn it, for ruining a nice episode. Definitely a little Michael to spice it up is fine, but focusing on him is way too much.

TO a certain degree, I concur. However, we should be careful that we not “jump the shark.” If you remember the show, MASH losing it’s edge when the characters all became chummy. SO, perhaps tone Michael down outside of his natural habitiat: The Wedding, and Diwali , Festival, where he has no jurisdiction.

Loved the phrase that TubeTalkGirl coined, “cringe worthy.” Spot on.

Tom O, I love TubeTalkGirl as much as the next TV addict, but I’m not sure she invented the term “Cringe-worthy!”

I think the Michael Scott bit may be getting somehwat old. Yet, if Michael did not play such an important role the writers would be forced to develop scenarios for each character which in turn, could alienate viewers. Character develpment is important and vital for the survival of a show, yet if the office focuses too much on the small characthers, it would be difficult to follow. My consensus: tone it down, but stick to the original intent of the show.

i have to say i love michael scott even though he has his many faults.
i somewhat agree i think he has to tone it down a bit but i also think they need to focus on all the subtle things rather than the relationship everyone cares about, jim/pam.
im not as into that as other people.
i pretty much agree with all of you. all of michael’s antics aren’t funny just embarrassing and kind of annoying.

I’m confused?

Have any of you been fans of this show from the beginning or have you just caught on this season?

Michael Scott has always been socially handicapped. He has no idea how to act appropriately in important situations. And it’s been like that from the beginning.

I am glad he came back with vengence this week. he reminded us that he is not the lovable, nice, goofy guy that he’s been most of this season.

He is a pathetic, inappropriate, shameless individual and that is what this show is based on.

The BBC’s David Brent’s character was far worse. You basically had to turn your head in every scene he was in. He was so far and beyond oblivious as to how to act it was painful.

That is what this show is about. Not the Jim and Pam Love hour. Yes their situation is the backbone of what makes this show great. But we have a long way to go until that relationship happens.

And Michael Scott and Dwight for that matter, are the main reason that this show is a Show, and the reason it will survive as the best comedy on TV for the next 3-4 years.

Maybe you should discover where this show came from and then decide whether or not you think “Michale Scott is ruining the Show”.

Michael Scott is the Show

I agree and diasgree at the same time. Where else are we going to see something so outrageous and uncomfortable and funny at the same time?

I agree with JeffM. I have been watching since Season 1, and MIchael being inappropriate and offensive is what made the show. Season 3 has been pretty weak compared to the first two because Michael has been relatively nice and well adjusted. This was a return of the old Michael and I loved it. Season 3 has been way too much of a sitcom and/or drama. Hopefully Michael is an ass in the rest of the episodes. This is what makes The Office different than other shows.

I am also glad that Todd Packer made an appearance last week, he has to be the funniest character ever considering how little he is on the show.

Michael has historically bad judgement-he was his basic over-the-top it’s all about me self. The writers are brilliant, they dole out the sympathy card in the flash-back to Michaels childhood mortification Phyllis’s uncle shows up by his side and Michael is able to redeem himself with Phyllis through no real effort of his own. Pam & Jim & Karen, Dwight & Angela, Kelly & Ryan, Michael & Jan. I’m glad they didn’t hook Toby up with another staffer ( all that HR paperwork would be a pain) I think we have a few too many office romances here. Is all that inter-office couplling realistic? realistic? Are all the office romances ruining the office?
Hot girl and Roy- now there’s a match.

Totally agree. Michael made me want to jam a nail gun into my ear. Dwight was actually very well-behaved, if not almost too tame. But drama was high in this episode, so maybe they were hoping to use Michael for a little comic relief… oh God, I hope the writers aren’t adopting the Michael Scott mindset.

Did anyone else notice the excellent music spot (Scrantonicity performing “Every Breath You Take” as Pam left with Roy?) That was the highlight for me.

I agree with JeffM20. They are the ones (Michael and Dwight) who keep us tuning in every week. We like to see other ppl make complete asses of themselves. If its not us then its ok! If you toned down any of the characters, even in the slightest, the ppl would be just as boring as the job itself and that would make for a horrible show.

Michael has been like that since the begining of the show. Steve Carrell is also very good at what he does. I am more concerned about the other crowd of ppl wanting that loveable cutsie story to unfold already. I agree I would like to see Jim and Pam finally do something about their situation but what happens next? If Jam gets together…what else are you going to watch for if you think that Michael and Dwight are over the top?

We like the show because of anticipation…whats coming at us next?? The writers keep throwing curveballs as us to keep us coming back for more…we want to see what Jim is going to do to Dwight next, or we want to see what ridiculous position Michael is in and yes we want to see what little cutsie thing happens between Jim and Pam.

The show is AMAZING the way it is! Don’t change a thing!! =]

I feel Michael was over the top in this episode, got a little bit annoyed which has never happened to me in this show. My thoughts are that they should put a lot more Tobi and his sad eyes in the show.

I will not stand for these lies! The office is amazing and Michael is perfect as he is…. this is the best show on television since arrested development

More Jim More Jim!!!!!!!!! The show if awesome, but we need more JIM

what the eff are u guys talking about? Michael Scott makes the freaking show for crying out loud. If i wanted to watch Jim and Pam and their shananigans i would watch days of our lives, passions and all that other crap. It’s a freaking comedy for petes sake not a saop. Keep Michael and Dwight to the max and keep the romance to a minimum.

He’s a fantastic actor and comedian, but at times, “Michael” makes me want to mute the TV until someone else comes on. He’s a brilliant actor, he has to be to convincingly play a part as well as he does, but sometimes it’s just too over the top.

I think Michael’s character is actually more complex and multidimensional than people are willing to credit. When he does these things it’s because he actually thinks he’s making the situation better–he has no conception about how other people will respond. As a child, he wanted to have “100 friends” because he felt the lack, and he wet himself at a wedding because he realized his social incompetence.

Now, he’s built up barriers around all that, in the form of outlandish behavior, but from time to time the insecurities sneak through from the subconscious to the surface. Michael Scott is a tragic character, not a funny one. Watching his personality reveal itself can be just as psychological and interesting as Jim/Pam.

i’m with Sunder on this one for both the office as well as the AD comment…………how funny was Kelly when she said that wearing the white dress to the wedding was an emergency, only to be followed up by her saying privately ‘i look really good in white’……i love this show!

You have to be out of your mind…it’s the cringes that make the show such a brilliant work of comedic art. It’s the fact that he can get those emotions to protrude from us with his character.

i don’t know, I do agree with you in the fact that there is a lot of Michael Scott, and some of his antics were over the top, but I still love the show no matter what. I truly believe Michael, Jim, and Dwight make the show unbelievably funny, and no matter what, I’m always waiting to see the next episode.

You must be joking. Without the over-the-top Michael/Dwight antics, this would just be another run of the mill romantic comedy. Sure, JAM is sweet and perhaps fleshes things out, but Steve Carell’s performance is what’s making the show POP. For those of you who mute the television when Michael Scott is on, you might as well go watch something a little tamer. Like Touched By An Angel.

Jamaica has it right. Michael Scott is more than just a cringe-worthy character. He’s sad, well-intentioned and so much deeper than you’re willing to admit. I think Phyllis’ wedding was touchy for some people because weddings are usually such a once-in-a-lifetime, sacred event. But, really, that’s what makes it so GOOD. Honestly!

I love Jim and Pam as much as the next person, but c’mon, it can’t be all staplers in jello. You don’t seriously Steve and Rainn to sit idly by and play it safe by not offending anyone, now do you?

No, I didn’t think so.

[...] PD: Algunos se preguntan si el personaje de Michael Scott está arruinando la serie. A mí me parece más bien al contrario, sus continuas paridas son lo que más me hace reir de todo el espectro televisivo. Actualización 15:00 – Escribí este post ayer tras verlo en GMMR, pero veo que ya se han hecho eco de lo mismo en Season Finale y TeuVe. [...]

Michael Scott is what I like about the Office. I probably wouldn’t even watch the show if not for Michael Scott and Dwight.

Ruining the series? You gotta be kidding me. The only people ruining the series are the fools agreeing with the original poster…

Anyone who thinks Michael needs to be toned down is missing the point of the show. I ask those people – did you just start watching it this season? Try going back to the first season. From the first scene in the Pilot episode, where Michael says, “If you think Pam is cute now, you should have seen her a couple of years ago,” you knew that the character is purposely beef-headed.

I mean, seriously, compare Michael Scott to David Brent, the “British Michael Scott,” and you’ll realize that Michael Scott IS toned down. I agree with the person who said you almost had to turn your head everytime David Brent appeared in a scene.

Believe me, The Office is not “The Jim and Pam Love Fest.” The Office IS “The Michael Scott Inappropriate (Half) Hour.” Jim and Pam and the others are all window dressing to the show’s true star…Michael Scott.

Besides, for a “toned-down” version of Michael Scott, all you have to do is look back 2 episodes to “The Return.” Andy Bernard out-Michaels Michael and it drives him crazy. He is forced to tuck-tail and beg Dwight to come back. “It takes a big man to admit his mistakes…and I am that big man.”

This has to be hands down the dumbest blog post ever! Maybe you are ignorant of the original Office tv show, because if you are than that would explain it. If you know about the original Office, David Brent was the show and the awkwardness was a bloody hell lot worse than Michael Scott was. In fact, I’m glad Michael Scott is getting back into form. The show was missing out on the David Brent’s style of comedy in this season. This is how the Office should be and deviating it with other storylines would only weaken the premise of the show.

This is strange because I pretty much echoed all of these thoughts to myself right after I watched last week’s episode. No human being would act that way (ie: throwing a hissy fit when Phyllis’ dad walked the rest of the way down the isle instead of letting Michael push him down, then forcing his way in line with the rest of the groomsmen and finally introducing the new bride and groom [twice]). Michael being awkward in social situations is probably the most integral part of the show, but the last episode was completely ridiculous and inconsistent with the rest of the series. It is still one of my favorite shows but I would agree with toning Michael down because this last episode was the first case where he just wasn’t a believeable character at all.

Mr. Beesly,

Really? The Dumbest Post Ever? WOW — I’m honoured. In all honesty, I’m not at all ignorant of the British version, and am more then familiar with the US version. I simply believe (as do quite a few other fans) that the US version of THE OFFICE would be far more popular with a toned down Michael. Like it or not, his antics (which I generally don’t mind) turn off a lot of fans.

Totally disagree. The office is built around Michael Scott. He and Dwight are the only reasons I watch. That and I’m a Jam fan. Other than a couple of episodes this season The Office is still the best show on television.

The problem is not so much Michael Scott as the imbalance of the show. The tension in the Jim/Pam storyline is so high now that it overwhelms everything else. Comedy works by contrast, but when everything is in high relief, nothing stands out. It used to be that Jim and Pam were our “everyman” characters, whose relative normality balanced out the zaniness of Michael Scott. Against their sweet little subdued love story, Michael Scott could be a little outrageous and we’d wince and laugh. But now Jim and Pam are so angst-ridden that they are the focus of our attention, and in order to increase the contrast between them and Michael Scott, the writers have to push and push and push until he is way over the line. His antics at Phyllis’ wedding weren’t funny or pathetic, they were downright abusive; Bob Vance of Vance Refrigeration should have decked him.

If the writers had the guts to bring the Jam storyline to some resolution, we might get the funny back in Michael Scott. I hope they have the courage to challenge the received wisdom that getting Jim and Pam together will “ruin” the show–I don’t think that is inevitable. If we had Jim and Pam back together, we would get our Everyman observer characters back, we’d get the pranks back, we’d get the BALANCE back, and Michael Scott could be funny without being pathological again.

Michael is important, no question. Wouldn’t be the same show without him. But it’s an ENSEMBLE effort, and we need EVERYBODY. And we need the tension ratcheted down a few notches.

Are you joking? I agree with JeffM, Michael Scott IS the show. Yes he can be “cringe-worthy” and inappropriate is an understatement most of the time, but that’s just Michael’s personality. He’s clearly got social issues. And yes, David Brent on the BBC version is ten thousand times worse than Michael is – we should feel lucky to have Michael versus David. No matter what happens between Jim and Pam or Dwight or any of the other characters, Michael Scott is the backbone of the show. Can you imagine The Office without Michael Scott??? I’d have to say it’d be pretty boring.

I agree 100%. There have been some stellar episodes this season but the ones with Michael going overboard have been pretty lame. Michael has always been crazy and over the top but the writers have always kept it somewhat real. This season, those moments have just been poorly designed and not smart like in the past.

I also believe the US version of THE OFFICE is far more of an ensemble than the British version – if only for the simple fact that we’ve had three seasons to get to know (and love) the US version, whereas the British version was so short.

The two versions are very different and I don’t think comparing them really makes much sense.

A reasonable point is made in the post above: two different (and competing) elements tend to exist in the recent episodes. Michael is more “cringe-worthy” and often flies a solo story route, while the rest of the ensemble offer more interesting plot developments.

I am definitely not advocating getting rid of Michael. However, I think two things could be done to resolve what we all see as a problematic situation:

1. Develop more sides to Michael. The relationship with Jan is definitely interest, as are the flashbacks to Michael’s childhood, which was clearly wrought with dysfunction and pain. If the latter is developed, a more dramatica and tragicomic element comes forth in some of the cringe-worthy aspects of the show. This definitely applies to parts of the wedding episode, but not all. (The whole bit with Michael in the bride’s dressing room talking about Phylis’ hair and “breaking wind” definitely fell flat, and is without excuse.)

2. Fuse the Michael story line with that of other characters. Again, the Jan issue is promising. Or, think back to last season when Michael got involved in the whole JAM issue, taking Jim to Hooters. Very funny. This especially works when the writers pit Michael against the warehouse boys, notably Darryl. Think: Back from Vacation episode. I think the Diwali epsiode tried to go this route, but it fell a little flat. Good try though.

So on the whole, these are my suggestions. Though I do want to point out that some of these “rough” moments force the viewer to really take a step back. We all know someone like Michael Scott, and sometimes we like watching the train wreck. It forces us to recognize our own social values, and how much they can be trampled on by people who have no, as Michael put it, “self-awareness.” I know it has already been mentioned, but this was definitely the brilliance of the UK version.

Any thoughts?

I TOTALLY agree with this post. I think the weakest episodes of this season were “the convict,” “gay witch hunt,” “phyllis’s wedding,” and ESPECIALLY “benihana christmas.”- and these were all episodes where Michael being Michael was the main event. A little Michael goes a LONG WAY- see “The Return,” or “Branch Closing” for example- when there are snippets of Michael acting crazy or weird, or throwaway lines- like in “Ben Franklin” when he comes in and stumbles his way through explaining Bob Vance’s “hourlong shower with guys.” That’s when his social handicaps are awkward and cringe-inducing, yes, but also FUNNY. When we have to spend 3 long minutes watching him ask Phyllis if she’s “nervous about her wedding night,” or even longer watching Michael kiss Oscar, it crosses the line from awkward laughter to yawning or even changing the channel.

A few points here. “The Office would be more popular with a toned down Michael”. Is that what we’re going for? Popularity?

“The two versions are very different and I don’t think comparing them really makes much sense”. What? Of course it does. They have parallel characters and the very argument you’re making is contradicted by what made the other show (British version) successful…albeit maybe not mainstream popular.

Third: I really don’t think what we want is a toned down Michael Scott. I think it’s all about finding the right circumstances for him to come out completely inappropriate. “Diversity Day” is a great example…or “The Dundies”…or “Booze Cruise”…or more recently “The Merger”. I would argue Michael is just as ridiculous in those episodes but it comes off funny awkward rather than just completely over the top/unrealistic (TV Addict may disagree on “Boat Cruise”…come on, get the title right at least). I do agree he hurt episodes this season like “Grief Counseling”, “Gay Witch Hunt”, and “Phylis’ Wedding” by being so absurd he comes off as having some type of psychological disorder.

The show takes chances. Sometimes they pay off big, sometimes they don’t. But that’s why I love it.

I agree. Although I worship the show, it seems Michael is and has been getting a little too unrealistic for my taste. In Phyllis’s Wedding, it wasn’t even remotely funny when he dragged the wheelchair down the aisle or smeared cake on his face. I find myself cringing with embarrassment and flipping the channel.
I miss the one liners. I miss Michael’s naughty jokes. I miss the feeling of being a documentary. I miss the people looking like regular people. And I miss the use of the rest of the amazing cast.
Let’s hope the writers take some of this into consideration for the next season.

Bullshit. Michael Scott is what makes the show funny. I laughed my ass off at Phyllis’s wedding and it was because of Michael Scott. I love Michael so I have bias I admit. Michael had reasons for acting like that from his bad memories of his childhood wedding to being gipped out of walking down the aisle. I think they could tone down Michael a *little*, but only a tiny bit. It would help if he had Jan there or someone else that would give him some attention/less loneliness. As long as they provide reasons for his actions, I am perfectly fine with him because its FUNNY. That’s what The Office is all about, not the drama. It’s a comedy for gods sakes. The wedding is NOT a real wedding so don’t take it seriously. Enjoy it, laugh a little.

I actually disagree! Michael, in the episode, returned back to his awkward self and I loved it. There needs to be some distraction from the Pam/Jim relationship that seems to be lingering on way too long. It gives some comic relief too all of that drama.

I do agree that not only Michael is too over the top sometimes, but that even having said that … the show wouldn’t be the same without him. I mean almost every episode I find myself wondering how is it that Jan hasn’t fired him yet … or … that one of his employee’s hasn’t killed him yet (if I had been in Phyllis & Bob’s shoes I may have done that after some of the stunts he pulled at the wedding). Kidding … kind of. LOL!

I have watched from the very first episode. I thought Michael went too far in this episode. I also did not care for Prison Mike or the kiss in Gay Witch Hunt. Michael is best in small doses. His frustration when it was not all about him in Michael’s Birthday was so much funnier that the ridiculous behavior at the wedding. I like him best when he is interacting stupidly with other characters a la “Afganastananis” and “Yankee Swap.” Or his cluelessness in talking heads–ie. making his screen name “LittleKidLover” or having an “epiphery.” Those blank yet confused eyes! It’s those moments when I think, “EMMY!”

Wow, are you on crack? This isn’t a soap opera about Jim and Pam.

It’s obvious thats all you care about because you list ‘The Boat Cruise’ (AKA: Booze Cruise.. get it right) as a bad episode – Yeah Pam and Jim have a mini fight in that episode, get over it. That is probably *the* best episode of the show ever…

Only in the last 2 episodes is Michael finally reaching the cringe-inducing glory that was David Brent on the BBC version of the show. Keep it up IMO.

I totally disagree with this post. Having been a fan since the start and watched the british version you would know that Michael acting that way is what the show is all about. what would the show be without Michael saying something crazy and getting one of those looks from “Jim” or the awkward silence that follows. It has never even crossed my mind to change the channel in the middle of this show and i doubt it has with any other true fan of this show. And how could you say that you didn’t like “booze cruise?” Anyways maybe this person should change the channel and not bother changing it back because they don’t even deserve to watch this show.. thats right.. this show is out of your league.. go watch “Two and a Half Men” or some other lame show because you’re giving true “Office” fans a bad name!

Amazing! It’s as if the fans of this show are rooting for it’s failure. The great thing about this show is the same thing that was great about Arrested development…it’s not your typical comedy. If that’s what you are looking for, I suggest you indulge yourself in a “Friends” marathon. Uncomfortability is what this show is all about, and Michael has been this way from the beginning….if you don’t like it, then don’t watch! What annoys me the most is that It seems as if people won’t be happy with the show unless Jim and Pam (I refuse to refer to it seriously as “JAM”) run off and get married. I’m curious to know how many hit television series you have written/directed/created/produced. I absolutely LOVE the fact that I have to cover my eyes and not look at the T.V. when Michael is in all of his glory.

I don’t fully agree. Michael Scott is one of my favorite parts of the show…but I do think that he appeared incredibly unlikeable in the past episode. There are many episodes like “The Dundies” or “Valentines Day” and even “Branch Closing” where he is a lovable character. You hate to love him, but you just do. I wish they would continue to show that side of him.

I agree that Michael’s antics sometimes are over the top, but thats the idea. The only times I worry are when the outbursts are so crazy that you stop seeing Michael as a socially inept person and start seeing him, as someone put it before, as a “cartoon character”. However, this rarely happens. Most of the time its just Michael being Michael. In no way do i feel his character is ruining the show. I happen to be a huge Jim/Pam fan, but even i can agree that the focus of this show, the original concept, is Michael. The obnoxious, offensive, idiotic, hate-to-love-him boss. My favorite moments are always the cringiest.

The Michael character in this season has really turned pathetic. There is so much underlying sadness and unfulfillment in his personal life that he acts out however he can to try and gain attention and friendship. In other words, never having had any healthy relationships of any sort, he has no idea how to act in any environment. That cost him his relationship with Carol and is why no one from the office wants to associate with him on a personal level, and may even be why he throws so many office “parties.” It his only chance to socialize. In my opinion, he needs to work on the Jan relationship, and if it works out it may “tone him down” a bit. On the other hand, look at all the stress he’s had this “year” and it kinda makes sense as to why he’d be acting up (and out) more.

I wouldn’t change a thing. whatsoever.

p.s. it should go without saying, but…the premise of the show is that a documentary crew is filming the Dunder Mifflin set. you have to take it into account when you watch the show. what I mean is this: imagine that Phyllis’ wedding took place in reality, and unfolded like real events do, while being filmed. the viewer has to imagine that other stuff is going on, that this is just the stuff the crew caught, and that other stuff was edited out. you have to fill in the blanks. (in fact, that’s one of the things I love about the Deleted Scenes posted on the Office website.)

In some ways I agree – Michael can be so over-the-top that you almost want to turn the channel, or at least hit ‘mute.’ But he’s been like that since day one. I don’t see where getting rid of him makes ANY sense at all. I find that the best comedy comes from reactions of the other characters to Michael.

I love Steve Carell; he is so incredibly talented that he “becomes” this character for me. I forget that he was just a loveable loser in “The 40-Year Old Virgin,” I can only see him now as the clueless, self-absorbed Michael Scott. Having said that, my favorite episodes this season have been where he is more sober – “Benihana Christmas,” “Traveling Salesmen,” “The Return.” These all featured a less out-there Michael yet he was still present in small doses – marking on the waitress to tell her apart, knocking the keys out of Phyllis’s hands so he could win at Amazing Race, Oscar’s “Mexicanity” – all brilliant stuff. This is such a great ensemble show that there is something for everyone so I think anyone new to the show with a sense of humor will get into it quickly.

And as for Dwight – I’m sorry, if you don’t care for him then there is no hope for you.

Can we just acknowledge the white elephant in the room–namely that most of the fans that don’t like Michael Scott this season–or any other–are mostly female, and derive a hormonal fix from watching the Jim/Pam romance develop, and are (understandably) upset when this romance is upstaged by Michael Scott’s dominant screentime? I don’t mean to be fractious and point fingers, but you have to understand that Jim is only funny because he’s the straight man to Michael and Dwight. While I sincerely hope neither Greg Daniels, nor any other member of the production or cast pay any attention to this post, nor the hormonally-induced complaints masquerading as “insightful criticism” on other blogs or sites, I almost wish they would give you people what you want, if only for a single episode. Half of the episode could be devoted to Pam and Jim looking longingly at each other, and Karen frowing, etc…etc…ad nauseum. It’s a comedy, people, and I don’t want to sound cruel, but if you’re tuning in each week, because you’re living your love life vicariously through two actors scripted by t.v writers–then do something about it. Find your own Jim or Pam. Just leave this television show alone–some of the people watch it because we need a laugh, and hence, quite enjoy Michael Scott–especially when he’s “cringe-worthy.”

I was going to write exactly what JeffM did: “Michael Scott IS the show.” Frankly, he is the main focus of the show; Steve Carrell is the show’s star; and Michael has been socially inept throughout the show’s run (think back to Diversity Day). I completely agree with you that the small moments around the supporting characters are great- obviously one of the reasons The Office is as absorbing as it is and appeals to so many critics and viewers is its fantastic ensemble cast (and the writers’ attention to detail in their storylines). But as much as I love Jim and Pam, Dwight and Angela, Kelly and Ryan, etc., this isn’t the Jim and Pam show- it’s a comedy built on the conceit of filming a documentary about a workplace, and Michael is the head of that workplace. I also think the reason The Office is so popular (i.e. has so many actual viewers– I’m not talking about fandom here) is mostly thanks to Steve Carrell and Rainn Wilson.

I’m actually a Michael Scott fan, and the reason I started watching The Office was for that character initially. I grew to love the others as the show developed.

I think without Michael, the show would suffer, and he’s a more complex character than he seems so it’s cool to find out more about his past along the way. However, I think there is a limit to how far the character should be pushed out there. I felt like in the Wedding episode, they fell back on some really immature jokes, so it made me wince. It felt a little bit like the writing in general rather than the character of Michael alone, IMO.

-JESS

I agree. The last season, the entire cast worked together, and their little personality quirks made the show. I noticed from the beginning of the season that the characters were being really outrageous…doing things out of character. I feel like now that they show is so watched, they are trying to up the “entertainment” factor to keep viewers. It’s not just Michael Scott, but Angela, Ryan, Pam, Meridith… If the characters keep getting more dramatic, then people wont relate anymore and it wont be as funny. I might actually just turn into another sitcom.

JeffM is spot on, Michael Scott and his antics ARE the show. If you want a romantic drama with subtle comedy, you are tuning into the wrong show. Next time Michael Scott is too cringe worthy for you, why don’t you pop in your Sleepless in Seattle Collecter’s Edition Gold trim DVD and cry yourself to sleep. Weak article!

Casey: The characters aren’t getting more dramatic, they are just getting more comfortable with each other.

Bob Saget I completely agree with you and JeffM. I’m sick of people taking things so seriously! It’s meant to be funny…IT’S NOT REAL!! I personally think Michael Scott is freaking hilarious and people are just too damn sensitive! If you’ve watched the show from the begining you would know that Michael Scott is a spoiled brat, he acts like a 2yr old..throwing fits and all, but in the end he always tries to make up for it…often still looking like a jackass, but that’s who Michael Scott is and I would not have it any other way. And don’t threaten to stop watching the show, just do it…NO ONE CARES!

It’s like this…..you can’t please all of the people all of the time. At times…Michael Scott is a baby. A little boy who is still acting out for attention. That is the character. If all of a sudden he didn’t do those irritating things..he wouldn’t be true to his character. What if Jim changed? Or Pam? Or anyone????

I really don’t get where so many of you are coming from. Michael’s been socially retarded from day one and it’s nothing compared to the British version. The show tries, at least in part, to make you cringe…that’s sort of where the comedy lies. If it’s too much for you then maybe this isn’t the show for you because really this is how it’s always been. As much as Pam and Jim are needed to add a little bit of angsty goodness Michael is vitally necessary to make it hilarious and have something that sets it apart. Quite honestly, I’d prefer this little bit of difference and quirkiness to the annoying happy ending and sappy music crap that’s usually at the heart of sitcoms. Michael isn’t detracting any viewers because the people that feel uncomfortable with him should get over themselves and watch something else…not everything has to fit your simple little mold for a “good” tv show

I know for a fact that Michael is turning off potential fans. My sister-in-law tried watching the show and had to stop because she was so embarrassed by Michael’s antics.

Then again, the British version I would say was even more cringe-inducing.

You guys are all idiots. Scott is what makes the office the office, lose him and we have…”how i met your mother”. a few funny characters mixed in with too many chummy ones and a sappy love story. Shame on you all for agreeing with this critic who is not an office fan.

I agree. Michael Scott from Season One was credibly a bad boss. By Season Two, he became someone understandably horrible yet we found out he still retained a human heart. Then Season Three came and Michael became a caricature, seemingly looking for any chance to have himself sued. And while I do agree that Michael Scott brings a lot of the laugh out loud moments and the show is honestly about his inability to grasp the concept of managing an office, I think it’s also good to give more camera time to the folks who also make such an uncomfortable environment: take the Angela/Oscar situation, Stanley/Phyllis angst. Though personally, I can live without all the ever growing list of romantic ties in the show, let’s bring some other situations in, like a stolen lunch or a sewage problem or something.

I’m still faithfully rooting for the success of the show, but I’m just afraid the Michael character can often be so exaggerated people will get sick of him soon.

I agree with Bob Saget and JeffM20. People are getting a little too obsessed with the Jim/Pam love story. I’m not at all saying that it isn’t a really lovely story arc, but the show is about so much more than that. JeffM was right when he said that the BBC Office’s David Brent inspired a lot more cringing than Scott. It’s the way that character is supposed to be…Don’t take it so seriously. Just enjoy the madness and social retardation that is Michael Scott. Jim and Pam aren’t the only characters that matter.

I don’t agree with anything you say. Michael Scott IS the show. What’s unbelieveable is that his employees put up with it! Maybe you should stick to those other shows like Survivor- totally believeable, and never over-the-top (just like the music– totally downplayed).

I agree. I think Steve Carrell is a brilliant actor, but there’s such a thing as too much. And really, given the way his character has been fleshed out over time, it isn’t all that believable when he’s as over-the-top as he was during this episode. Michael does have a management job and (somehow!) a hot girlfriend. He’s an idiot, but he can’t act like an idiot all the time. I remember getting annoyed by the same sort of thing during the Christmas episode from the previous season when he orchestrated the gift exchange. Tone it down, and the show will be absolutely perfect.

I totally disagree

I dont know if anyway has noticed but recently Michael has been very reserved. He just wasn’t “Michael” in Back from Vacation and a couple others after that, especially when Andy was getting on his nerves.

The point is for Michael to be socially awkward. You aren’t supposed to love him, you are supposed to cringe.

I mean.. if anything I think Michael has been easier to accept lately. He’s always been obnoxious, its nothing new

While I agree that Michael’s behavior at Phyllis’ wedding was a little over the top, that was the only episode I ever felt uncomfortable watching. I chalk it up to bad writing. Michael Scott/Steve Carell and his interaction with the other characters is what makes the show. He and his politically incorrect comments and off the wall antics are priceless and one of the reasons I tune in every week.

I think that he is a key element in this show. The whole dynamic of this show is based on these people working for this boss who absolutely has no social skills whatsoever and goes over the top. To me he hasn’t changed. I remember the Christmas episode a year or so ago and he was over the top because he got that potholder Phyllis has made him. I think that a lot of people are so focused on the Jim/Pam/Karen thing that its becoming more about them than about Michael. I love the Jim and Pam thing but they aren’t the reason I watch the show and I have to remember that sometimes. I love Dwight as well and love the interactions he has with Michael and Jim. I do have to say this that it takes me watching an episode sometimes more than once to really appreciate the humor in it. I also agree with the person who said that Michael seemed really reserved after he got back from vac. I even said that to my boyfriend who watches the show with me. He didn’t act like himself. I am glad he is back to the same ole quirky Michael. Steve keep up the good work.

No! Steve Carell is absolutely dead on in his interpretation of this character. This discomfort viewers feel is what makes The Office stand out from all the other canned comedy shows on TV. Yes, Michael can make you painfully uncomfortable but that is SO real (and just as an aside I don’t think Phyllis’ Wedding was a well written episode, so a bad example of Michael and everyone else). People like Michael make you uncomfortable, you want to chock them and the next thing you know you get hit by how vulnerable they are and you feel for the idiots. So bottom line, leave this show alone! There is plenty of pablum out there for the masses if this is too substantial for you.

You are absolutely, one hundred percent on the money with this and I hope the powers that be at NBC pay attention before Season 3 is ruined any further.

Maybe this episode might have been a bit over the top, but it had its moments (Toby, Yeah!!) . Micheal had to balance out the relentless JAM (or RAM) scenes in the episode. Furthermore, for those who believe that the characters of Micheal and Dwight should be more believable and realisitic, go watch a soap opera, this is a comedy. Consider that the worst Office episode is ten times better than any other comedy show before you beef with Phyllis’ Wedding.

Michael Scott IS The Office. Without him or even a toned down version of him would make this show only about half as great as it is. Most people have either worked with, went to school with, or been related to someone like Michael. You know you can’t make them act more normal and they just are who they are. That is the beauty of this show. Michael has so many insecurities and social disfunctions that make him do and say things that make us cringe, yet he excels in some areas (like Sales) that keep him afloat. He didn’t get to be Regional Manager for no reason….he has an exceptional talent for closing the deal and also fixing his mistakes (i.e. The Client, Valentine’s Day). I love how his character can take me from shuddering at his stupidity to wanting to give him a big hug when he shows his little “abused child” side. He is both complex and moronic…..just like my ex-boss who was a HUGE horses’s A$$, but the best salesman in the state. Go figure.

No way, Michael Scott is the greatest. i think all the characters are great. in my opinion, if all of the characters are completely loveable the whole time, THEN you will start to lose interest. Michael is extremely annoying and hilarious and is a very important part of the show’s makeup. but that is just my opinion.

Here’s a thought. If you all think you’re all so funny than why aren’t you rich and famous and writing The Office? Take it for what it is, funny… Just enjoy it for the love of god. only reason I’m on here reading this trash right now is because i’m looking for episode 16. I had to work and missed it. If someone finds a link that would be sweet.

I would like to see Michael more over the edge then his is now. Did anyone see the booze cruise? He was telling everyone that the ship was sinking and people were jumping overboard. Now in the wedding he’s just making a speech. I think the writers need to kick it up a notch and turn the show back to the emmy winning days of the 2nd season. If anything, Michael needs to up the ante. Steve Carell is the funniest comedian ever!!!!!

Yeah I remember in Season One how Michael wasn’t so out there, it was a little more subdued, and I liked that better. It’s like they changed the format after season 1 a bit. Steve Carell is hilarious, and the things that they have him do, such as his dating the real estate lady and with Jan is fun…still uncomfortable, but it’s fun as well, and seems appropriate. I like how he tries so hard in the office itself, and on Office events, but at someone’s wedding is a bit much. The kissing Oscar was really hard to watch as well. Prison Mike was awesome. I think they go too far with it sometimes, but I do like the character. (Though Jim is my fave…I love how we’re in on all of his pranks and stuff)

I seriously think you don’t understand Michael’s character. I agree 1 million percent with what JeffM20 said. He took the words right out of my mouth. Michael Scott IS the show. I think if people are “put off” by his antics, then they don’t understand the humor in the show and in Michael’s character. This isn’t slap-stick humor here…there’s an underlying tone of sarcasm and irony that makes it much more funny than so many predictable comedies out there.

I agree in some senses. I mean yes, MICHAEL IS THE SHOW, but some times less is more. It’s a bit like that old saying ‘before you leave the house look in the mirrror and take one thing of.” I personally love every second of Steve Carell, but a lot of people are changing their minds, so i guess everyone would appreciate the beauty of his character a little more if there was a little less of him. None the less, he had to be on the wedding episode. There wasn’t much else going on other than that. Even the pam and roy thing was minimal.

Why does Michael get the bulk of the funny lines? Steve Carrell is amazing, but I don’t know about everyone but I like John the best. I have friends who are Rainn fans and I know we would all love to see a little more of these other great stars.
I wouldn’t go as far as saying Michael Scott ruins the Office, but he’s just the distraction from the real love stories going on in the office that keep us coming every week. Many people are beginning to realize that he’s just a sideshow to keep us waiting for the big stuff. It seems each and every week is less and less satisfying because I’m becoming more and more impatient with the JAM romance that is going in the wrong direction. I don’t want them to finally get together yet, because I realize that would end the show. I just want a little bit of entertainment. The producers have to keep the ball rolling or many will lose their interest.

Negatory! I do not agree! Michael is a laugt-out-loud, cover-your-eyes RIOT! He’s so embarrassing that it’s outrageous! If you want the same old stuff, watch 2 guys and a boy. Sheen is funny in that but it’s over-done. The Office is different and refreshing.

Geez, people. First of all, for those of you who keep condemning anyone agreeing with the initial post to watching crappy tv instead: relax! Even “hormonally imbalanced” individuals are entitled to watch this show, and have their opinion and “fan” status. Also, be careful about dismissing the importance of popularity, because even though I agree the writers should not be confined to “plastic” story lines, if the show eventually loses enough popularity, the only episodes ANY of us will be able to watch are re-runs.

Second of all, why didn’t more of you respond to what “Never Enough Jam” wrote earlier in this thread? I actually liked the episode of Phyllis’ Wedding, but I agree with THAT post above, in that the problem is NOT Michael’s outrageous behavior, so much as the way the scales have tipped in the direction of an, as stated above, “angst-ridden” and, I think, rather dark and solemn tone. The show has always been uncomfortable – TRUE. The uncomfortable tension (generally caused by Michael) is what makes the show – TRUE. I completely agree, but I don’t think the show has always been this dark. I feel like the writers got sidetracked somewhere this season, but I truly hope I’m wrong. I am not sure I agree that the fix should be a Jim/Pam resolution, necessarily (though I don’t count that option out), but I DO think the tension needs to be taken down a notch in SOME direction.

I also agree that there needs to be more interaction with the cast as a whole; not just more Jim and Pam, more EVERYONE. I should note here that I think much, if not all, of this could be resolved by extending the show to HOUR-LONG EPISODES (Please! NBC, PLEASE!). Also — and this may be my impression alone — I feel that the storyline has become very “fragmented,” another possible flaw that I think would be solved by longer time slots. I actually even liked many of the episodes some of you found too outrageous, like “Gay Witch Hunt,” because at least it kept to a developing thread throughout the show, without jumping all over the place. I find myself skwirming in my seat, same as always whilst watching this show, but now instead of laughing, I sometimes come to the end of the show with furrowed brows and little comic relief or satisfaction.

As a final note, for those who keep commenting that “Michael is The Office,” while that may be true, if you think back on any really great show, wasn’t it always that magical quality to the chemistry of the entire cast that made it great? To me, a great show is when I am saying, “My God, that person is my favorite character!” one minute, and then the next character’s line comes, and I’m saying, “No, THEY’RE my favorite!” And on the flip side, (and by NO means am I implying The Office is headed in this direction, but just as a cautionary comment) aren’t the tv-show failures the ones that lack any real chemistry amongst the GROUP, even with one great character that would seemingly “make the show”? (Which is probably why so few spin-offs ever become successful.)

Anyway, my point is, The Office DOES have that “Chemistry-Perfect” cast, and the writers should capitalize on that, continuing to showcase that rare quality as they have done in the past. The Office is not “The Office” without Michael. The Office is also not The Office with ONLY Michael.

Less Pam/Jim relationship… more Michael Scott being completely ignorant about life… lately the whole show has been about Pam and Jim’s lack of a relationship… either the writers need to bring them together or make the relationship less boring… I love Michael’s ability to “teach” life lessons… i do think that the interrupting the wedding thing was dumb… but still this is the man who thinks that everyone in the world loves him and thinks he is the most hilarious person ever. I am just waiting for Toby to call him out and Dwight to snap and kill Toby or something…

For those of you who would like to medicate Michael into being what you think he should be, may I suggest you take the calming-pill of your own chosing instead…or maybe just turn the volume down and look away when the bad man is annoying you.

I love watching a great comedy show with a little romance mixed in, and can’t stand romantic operas with background clowns.

I’ll just bet this is why I like “The Office” the way it is and some don’t.

I agree 100% with what Alex said. If this show were an hour long, it would give extra time to fill in with the other characters, then it wouldn’t “feel” like there was “too much” of Michael Scott. It wouldn’t feel so scattered; we’d be able to see a rounder story instead of having to fill in the spaces with our own imagination or with the few deleted scenes. You can’t forget that while technically there shouldn’t be a “leading actor” because it’s a documentary, Steve Carell is what brought in the initial viewers, and he’s the BOSS, of course he’s going to be the most filmed, mainly because he is so crazy and embarassing. It just makes sense that the camera crew would focus more on him, it’s laughworthy and incredulous to witness. THAT is the point of the show: to see what goes on inside an office; the characters embarassing moments, private moments and touching moments. And I must say that it’s disappointing to read such a boldly stated post like this that doesn’t even get the names of the episodes correct…

Without me, there would not be THE OFFICE. I’m the same guy I’ve been the past 2 years. Nothing new here. Except my new girlfriend. We are coming out at my boss’s boss’s boss party this week. Which will basically break up our relationship. The early worm gets the worm.

I love the office! In case you people forgot, the office is all about michael, and he has been this crazy since the beginning of the show. I think the new viewers are a bunch of n00bs. Michael is great, knock it off.

No way! Michael is a big part of the show without him it wouldnt be the same show. Fans love the show because of every character. People who want to get into the show will see why fans love it. The show should not have to change to attract new and more viewers.

Michael’s over-the-top behavior is a necessary piece of “The Office” puzzle, but it has been provided in carefully prescribed doses over the past 2 seasons. This season, especially of late, we’re overdosing on this annoying behavior.

For the show to thrive, the audience MUST believe that Michael Scott is competent enough to be Regional Manager of Dunder Mifflin; especially now that Jan is dating him. I was relieved to see the more competent but a tad nutty Michael Scott in “Traveling Salesman” and “The Return”. But full-blown psycho-Mike reared his ugly head in “Phyllis’ Wedding”.

It bothers me that both Michael and Dwight have basically turned into caricatures of themselves. Dwight 95% sure that isn’t the real Ben Franklin? C’mon, nobody is that stupid. I’m glad this is finally being discussed.

I did not enjoy Michael at the wedding and blame the writers for going overboard. Too much of any character would be awful. I’m talking to you Jim and Pam lovers. Without Michael this show would be entertaining but but would we watch? This show is best when there is a balance. Goofy office goings on, Michael being nutso and a more in depth character development. “Business School” had all of that.

Michael Scott is not ruining the office. In the end Michael is “The Office”.

Michael is like that horrific car accident…you know you shouldn’t look but you can’t help it. Everyone knows someone like him, you just can’t believe he (or she) actually said/did that, and its so bad that its fascinating and you can’t get enough. And just when you think Michael is pond scum, he goes and boosts Pam at her art show. (I love it when we see his sensitive side, especially with children.) Oh, and how long till Pam can’t stand Roy? Sorry, I digress, I love The MIchael Scott Behaving Badly Show, don’t tone him down!

Maybe toning it down would help – however; to me it is a piece of the puzzle in making the show great. Eliminating this aspect of Michael completely would be the thing that ‘ruins’ the show. It would be like stopping Kramer of Seinfeld from making his crazy entrances. It’s an essential part of his character, but just show it in moderation.

New viewers should love the show for what it is, as we the long-time fans have done.

YOU’RE RIDICULOUS! Michael’s ignorance of social mores is the essence of the show. I sure hope the writers to listen to opinions like yours. If you want to flip to Survivor, then go right ahead. This season’s episodes have been great. The only one that was not top-notch was probably Ben Franklin. If there has been anything to complain about it has been the awkward writing for some of Pam’s scenes that totally seemed out of character. Also, the writing for Traveling Salesmen was awkward because it changed the character dynamic of Michael and Andy. Andy is a great addition, but Michael does not work as the straight guy next to him. They are much better being buddy buddy.

I think Michael and Dwight make the show what it is. If you took them out, or if you “toned” them down, the office would just be a slow moving reality show about working in an office. I think most of us experience that everyday already.

I think the episode after Dwight resigned and went to work for Staples, was one of the slowest episodes of the season. Dwight, not being at the office, makes the office boring. Toning Michael’s ignorance down would also make the office boring.

The ridiculousness on the show is awesome and I love the quotables.

allright.
1st of all michael MAKES the show. why the hell would you fast foward though his parts?! why do you even watch the show if you’re too stupid to get the humor out of this show?!

to :sunder-ditto!!! you the man!!!!(or woman)

Michael was just too much at the wedding. The wedding was just about him. And what was the deal with him dragging the wheel chair down the aisle? I was hoping to see Dwight & Angela and more Jim and Karen.

NO NO NO! Micheal is the reason that I started watching the show! Now I love all of the characters, but it was his craziness that got me hooked. I was just flipping through one night, had never heard of the Office, and he happened to be doing something ridiculous. I said “this is the funniest show I have ever seen!”, and I have been watching ever since.
Sometimes I feel embarressed for him, he makes me cringe sometimes, but that’s what Micheal is all about, and that’s what the show is about. A huge part of the show is how the office staff deals with Micheal and reacts to his antics.
I’m really glad to see Micheal and Jan together, it’s about time something good happened for him.
I hope the writers don’t take it away.
Micheal, please don’t change!

I love the absurdity of the Michael Scott character. Pam and Jim exist as the “everyman”…watching the events unfold around them just as we, the viewers, are. Yes, he is over-the-top at times. Where it succeeds is when he is hopelessly clueless (Outing Oscar, Bachelor party, etc). It’s less effective when he appears mean (Phyllis’s wedding was too much…trying to make himself the center of attention was childish, not merely oafish as he was on the cruise episode last year).

It’s tough when you have so many talented actors to strike a balance, however. Sometimes they fall a little short, but most of the time they are right on target. It’s the best comedy on TV, hands down.

Come on…. get real. If you really know The Office, you would know that the whole point is to MAKE YOU UNCOMFORTABLE! Michael Scott is not just some comedic character, he is designed to make you squirm, twitch, and forces you to watch just like driving past an accident scene. YOU are just a victim of exactly what The Office is designed to do! Watch the British version – and you’ll thank GOD there’s a Michael Scott -try some David Brent!!

You’re a moron. Michael and Dwight make the show. It’s a comedy, not a romance show. If you want to see stories like whether Jim and Pam wind up together, watch the real world. Ben Franklin and the wedding were 2 of the funniest episodes there have been so far. The best ones are when Michael comes up with rediculous ideas, like having strippers in the office or trying to have his employees act out racist stereotypes. If Michael wasn’t over the top it would be like a real office and a lot of the viewers already experience that for 8 hours every day. If Pam and Karen weren’t hot I wouldn’t even care if they were on the show, except for Michael to harass them.

To even imply that Michael is ruining The Office is completely out of line. From the very start of the series Michael’s character has been hilariously and naively offensive in social situations. Granted, his acts during Phyllis’ Wedding were the first time I would describe his antics as mean spirited, the writers specifically wrote the back story of his mother’s wedding to give justification for his actions. I am absolutely baffled at the thought that anyone would argue that the backbone of the show is not Michael Scott and the day writers change his character to gain more viewers is the day that I will stop watching.

Actually, what tied the whole episode in for me was seeing Michael’s reaction at his own mother’s wedding. You can tell that something happened in his childhood, and socially, he’s stuck in that place. So I found Michael’s antics totally appropriate for his character, and toning him down socially negates the little piece of history the writers threw in.

Do not agree. If you want “comfortable, non-cringe worthy” comedy there are many options
open to you. The discomfort factor is one of the main things that make “The Office” what it is
and not a cookie cutter version of 99% of tv comedies.

Steve Carrell and Rainn Wilson are brilliant, but the editors and directors need to take a firmer hand when editing their scenes. Michael absolutely ruined Phyllis’s wedding for me. It made this beautiful little show into a third rate sitcom. The best cringe-worthy Michael moments are always the small ones — not the over the top ones. I do enjoy the cringe-worthy aspect of the show, but when they let Carrell (and to a lesser extent, Wilson) go too far, I’m not cringing on behalf of the characters. I’m cringing on behalf of the show, and rolling my eyes, to boot.

If Michael weren’t on The Office, it wouldn’t be the same! He might be over the top, but it’s a show, everything has to be over the top on a tv series for people to watch it. It’s not real… it’s made up. It’s for entertainment, and Michael definitly helps with that!
-Hannah
Oh, and PS: Can I meet Jim Halpert? Soooo cute

I’ve only seen bits of the original english series, but reading this your all nuts, those who agreed with getting rid of micheal. Hello, the series revoles around that character. Then again I never watched the american version because it’s a basic rip off of the english one, seen one seen em all!

dudde.
no.

michael has always been like this.

if you think that he is bad, what is the point of the show?!

he has been like that since sason 1.