Why I Hate… SUPERNATURAL

By: C.T. [Couch Tater]

Yes, that’s right. I said it.

I have a major hate-on for SUPERNATURAL. I don’t dislike or feel ambiguous toward the show, but feel pure, unadulterated hate.

Now I know that for some of you, them’s fightin’ words. Mention SUPERNATURAL and many of you — our host, the TV Addict himself — go weak in the knees and look for new superlatives with which to sing its praises, all of which leaves me saying… “seriously?”

For the record, nobody was more stoked for the launch of this show than I, a lover of just about all things horror. Yes, I’m the guy who can be found sitting in the corner of a dark bar making a case for the argument that the second Nightmare On Elm Street flick — Freddy’s Revenge — should not be considered a true sequel in much the same way that Season of the Witch (which is completely free of Michael Meyers) should not be considered a true Halloween flick. And every month, I run to the mailbox to get the latest novels from my horror book of the month club (featuring such authors as Richard Laymon, Edward Lee and Douglas Clegg).

Yeah, I like my horror.


So when the WB announced a series which they promised would offer weekly thrills and chills, I was there with bells on. At the very least, I hoped for something BUFFY-esque, combining witty scripts with great writing. This being television, I suspected the promised chills would most likely be, at most, shivers.

But the series failed to deliver even those. Worse, the scripts tried to pass off cliched dialogue as witty banter, and the special effects were… um, let’s be kind and call them on par with CHARMED.

Worse, Jensen Ackles idea of acting seemed to involve speaking in a voice that sounded kind of like a little boy imitating a grown man. Or maybe Keith Olbermann imitating Bill O’Reilly. And while Jared Padalecki has never been the greatest of actors, he seemed more bearable as a second banana on GILMORE GIRLS (where he played Rory’s first love, Dean) than as a lead here.

But the biggest sin was, for me, the complete lack of actual scares. While I dug the idea that each week the show would sort of recreate a ghost story/urban legend that we were familiar with, the format actually resulted in predictable tales and a lack of suspense.

At that point, I stopped tuning in regularly and instead became an occasional viewer, so forgive me if some of what I’m about to say is inaccurate. I have no doubt I’ll be corrected by the Winchester brothers’ legions of fans. That said, one thing I can not stand is when a show introduces an overall arc (which this one had from the beginning as the boys sought to figure out the truth about the death of their fricasseed mom) and yet feels as if it’s making things up as it goes along. At some point during season two, it was established that several other women had died in exactly the same manner as the late Mrs. Winchester, with the women literally burning out when their children were six months old. And yet in the very first episode, it was seeing his girlfriend turn into a ball of flames which convinced Sam to join Dean on their demon quest. Unfortunately, Sam’s girlfriend did not have a six month old child, meaning that the season two revelation was not thought through for continuity.

Worse, when it came time to expand the cast in season three, they introduced an oh-so-original character named Bela who fulfilled practically every missing clichen in the book: She’s exotic (“She has an accent! Ohhh!”), amoral (“She’s bad… but does good things!”) and fulfills the need for a love/hate relationship (Will Dean sleep with her kill the malicious minx?).

Now, I’m not saying SUPERNATURAL is the worst show on television. I’m not necessarily even saying it’s bad. (Okay, yeah, I sort of am.) What I am saying is that it’s not what it could have been. I hate seeing a show fail to live up to its potential. I hate seeing people fawn over a show that fails to live up to its potential.

And maybe what I hate most of all is just not “getting” what it is that makes so many people go gaga for something that in my never-exactly-humble opinion is average at best.

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  • http://iseemonsters.typepad.com Carrie

    Oh, CT. I can understand your hate for the show — my roommate hates it as well. But by saying that Jessica dying on the ceiling was a break in continuity you show that you don’t actually understand the show at all. Those women didn’t just spontaneously combust on the ceiling — Azazel (the yellow-eyed demon) killed them when they interfered with his plan to make their children into “special” kids like Sam. They’ve never specifically said why Jessica was killed, but I have to assume that Azazel did it because he didn’t want anything getting in the way of Sam becoming the special psychic kid and “chosen one” he wanted him to be.

    Perhaps I’m a bad Supernatural fan and understanding all of that incorrectly myself. Can anyone back me up here? There’s still a lot of the mythology that hasn’t been completely explained.

    Oh, and Bela sucks. I was open to her at first, but now I am definitely on the Bela hate-train. I don’t think fans think the show is perfect (especially this season) but there is something very interesting about it and about the family dynamics that speaks to us. The supernatural stuff is just gravy.

  • http://whatisthegfor.vox.com Tim G.

    *HIGH FIVES THE CT* Finally! Someone else who hates this show.

    The Stoopernatural fangirls can get so crazy that I’ve finally realized why people hate us Joss Whedon fans sometimes.

  • Mana

    What I hate about Supernatural: The crazy fangirls. Yes… not the good kind of dedicated one, but the crazy “OMG this show rules the world and you suck if you believe different” ones. Now those? Scary.

    Well, we know that they’re not making up the overall arc as they go along… the creator, Kripke, has stated several times that he has and overall plan and that he knows how it’s all going to end. One must assume that he knows where he is going.
    However, there ARE inconsistencies, yes, and it does seem like some things are just made up as they go along. In season one we saw a six month old special child, another generation of special children was introduced. No more was done about that (according to Kripke nothing will be) and it was just a way to suit the episode plot. Then there is the fact that all those around Mary Winchester died… which at the moment does seems like another random thing since we’ve never heard of any other families experiencing the same thing (of course, the fact that we’ve never heard about it does not necessarily mean it didn’t happen). In fact, the entire special children storyline often comes off as a bit rumbled and random. I agree with that and it is annoying… I guess I just don’t think much about that stuff since I’ve personally never cared for that storyline at all. It’s something I mostly ignore. The girlfriend’s, Jessica, death is not inconsistent with anything we’ve learned about the overall arc, however. It’s been mentioned a few times how Azazel would try to push the special children over the edge… try to make them embrace their powers and become the warriors he wanted them to be. Jessica was a way to push Sam.

    The scares aren’t very scary, no. It’s television and they can’t get as much gore through as they want too. They could work better with what they have, I guess, but apparently a lot of people already find it too scary (I don’t get it either). I completely agree with the tales being predictable and boring.

    This year’s new characters are awful. No arguing on that.

    Supernatural is my favourite show but it is far from great. I watch for the characters and their relationship. I’m character driven when watching TV… give me a character I love and I’ll watch just about anything. I’m satisfied with Supernatural in that respect and while it isn’t the best show on TV (*cough* Friday Night Lights *cough*) it does have some things going for it and it certainly isn’t the worst either. Also, not being perfect doesn’t make it bad. A lot of shows on TV could be so more than they are. Let’s face it, most TV shows don’t live up their full potential. No, I’d take Supernatural over Grey’s Anatomy and Heroes any day… and Buffy. Buffy is one of the most overrated shows to me. It was entertaining but Joss was not a god. Just no. I realize a lot of people disagree with me on that.

    So… agreement from me. Mostly ;)

  • ewanspotter

    Oh noes!!1! You can’t hate SUpernatUra!!1!

    There is no Universal Show that everyone will like. You don’t like Supernatural? You’re allowed not to.

    You hate seeing people fawn over a show that fails to live up to its potential, but it lives up to the potential of others (and more). You could give me a list of your favorite shows and I could sensibly and logically point out continuity errors, bad acting, terrible plots and failed potential in programs that I think are the scum of the earth. :D It’s all a matter of perspective.

    At least you can give some valid reasons why you don’t like it. Other people whine and sling hateful nicknames… and that tells me all I need to know about them right there.

  • Ciara

    I’m sorry but as a fan of this show why would you post this blog one its just nasty and two its sad. It will probably cause a arguement so this was a slightly silly thing to do all the same

  • Nic

    You are an idiot.

    That’s all.

  • http://www.tvismypacifier.com Jenny

    I agree with ewanspotter & Mana completely. I love the show. Is it perfect? Heck no, none of my shows are. lol But pretty much, except for a few shows, I turn on the tv and turn my mind to vacation. TV is simply something to help me relax and laugh a little. And Supernatural definitely helps fill that. (Especially due to the hot-ness of the leads. ;) )

    Nic, there is no call for that sort of remark. It was very rude.

    Ciara, I’m sure Daniel (The TV Addict himself), wants to make sure he is able to cater to ALL his audience, not just the Supernatural fans. It’s like I get REALLY REALLY tired of Kristin @ EOnline’s column sometimes because it’s Praise Lost this and Praise Heroes that. And I don’t like or watch either of them. So in order to appeal to everyone, you have to let several views about shows come out. *shrug*

  • Stephanie

    I think you just ruined this site for me…

  • KaeDee

    I’ll just say if you want to be scared, watch “The Grudge.” Otherwise, you’re completely missing the point of the show, so you don’t deserve to watch it.

  • Maddy

    First off everyone is entitled to an opinion, second off lol SUPERNATURAL IS AWESOME and you just want attention because you knew this would get alot of feedback and about 99.9% would be negative and lastly its one thing to insult the show but its just plain rude to insult the actors, who work their butts off id like to see you do any better !

  • http://www.thetvaddict.com theTVaddict

    Maddy,

    Admittedly, the TV Addict is a complete comment whore. I mean really. It’s better than… well you know the saying. That said, I do have a policy that everybody, and by everybody, I mean even people who like ACCORDING TO JIM — are entitled to their opinion! And apparently, CouchTater is no fan of SUPERNATURAL.

  • ewanspotter

    What?! According to Jim is a comic masterpiece. I have no idea what you’re talking about. >.>

  • skye

    Okay, I understand that you don’t like the show. I love the show, almost as much as Buffy, but I accept that you don’t, just as I openly admit to hating Lost, Hero’s and (god forgive me) Veronica Mars… But your response (other than the part about true horror films) comes from someone who is admiting a bias and has not watched the show faithfully. Many of the things you are implying are fallious and incorrect based on consistant viewing of the show. But it really all comes down to getting it or not. Hoards of people hate Buffy… Hoards of us love it… Same thing, different show.
    But the one thing I am so friggin tried of is all of the fan girl comments… Yes, there is a segment of fans that are buckets o crazy. However, just like Whedon fans or other fandoms, there are a large number of us that are intellegent, well spoken and not simply into the show just for the eye candy. I don’t like being grouped in with the fan girls any more than as a blonde, i want to be grouped in with a ditz .
    So we hopefully can agree to disagree.

  • hanncoll

    I apologize on behalf of my fandom for the obnoxious comments you’re getting, and the ones undoubtedly still to come. I couldn’t disagree more with this post, and I’m frankly boggled that anyone could hate the show this much, but there’s no reason for the ‘you’re an idiot’ crap. The majority of Supernatural fans are actually rational, intelligent people, I swear.

  • Patty

    First of all, I want to say that I was amused to read your little post here. I laughed and nodded at a lot of what you said, but I still love Supernatural more than any other show I have ever watched. For me, It’s about the relationships beween the boys and their father. The “scary” stuff is just a setting for a tv show about family dynamics.

    Second of all, I would like to address the “scary” issue. No, it is not the scariest thing in the world, but I still have my “OMG! NO!” moments and the infamous “WTH just happened?!?” comments. The thing about this show is that it goes for comedy AND horror AND drama all at once. Because of this, it sometimes has to sacrafice one of it’s main elements to satify the rest. Usually it is the scary department that getts put aside. But for me that is alright because I 1) get scared really easily and 2) like to see the relationships develop more than the bloody corpses and whatnot.

    I love this show but I do understand that there are a lot of people that hate it. but as long as it is still on tv and Jared and Jensen are still the (very hot) stars, I will keep on watching.

  • Ana Beatriz

    Who is not fan of Supernatural you until they know much about the range and performance of the actors … ;)

  • http://www.eloQuentin.net KWentin

    i just say i didn’t like a single second either just to even scores about haters and lovers a bit.

    if you want stereotypes, go to drawn together, at least this is funny :D

  • Marcelo Dutra

    This comment is something fan disappointed with the third season and with envy of Jensen and Jared :)

  • Aileen

    Did you write this entry solely to irk the fan girls? If that was the goal, it certainly worked, judging from some of the comments.

    Supernatural is not the best show ever made (neither is it even close to the worst), but I enjoy watching it every week (except for the occasional weak episode) and look forward to the next installment. I watch TV to entertain myself, and Supernatural certainly keeps my attention.

    Like an earlier poster said, nearly EVERY show has flaws that could be pointed out and disparaged. If you hate the show, stop watching. Allow those who enjoy the show to continue to do so and spend your energy on watching what you like.

  • Mel

    Wow, C.T. you almost sound like a true fan.
    Each and every point that you bring up about the show’s mytharc and the lack of thrills and chills and the inadequacies of the new season 3 cast have been discussed and dissected to the nth degree by SN fans.
    Yep, you sound like a real fan. Except you’re too easy on the show — and you dissed JA & JP’s acting. You’re entitled to your opinion about that. However, in my opinion — your opinion is just — wrong.
    Its the characters of the Winchester brothers that keeps me invested in the show. And I attribute that to the talent of JA and JP.
    I’m sorry you can’t enjoy the show — you’re missing out.
    My least favorite episode of Supernatural is still my favorite show of the week.

    I’m curious – what do you think of Heroes? Because if mytharc inconsistencies bother you, you must really hate that show – There are holes in that mytharc you could drive a truck through.

  • Hil

    I am not a fan but I do watch it from time to time since I know people who are fans and I think the acting is fine. Better than average for its target audience. I am just not interested in the subject matter and the fandom is *scary*.

  • KaeDee

    I decline hanncoll ‘s apology on behalf of the SN fans. Besides being a bit high-handed (I don’t need anyone making apologies on my behalf), C.T. opened the door and can lie in the bed he made. The phrase “entitled to my opinion” is obviously being used to garner comments and stir up fans when he could use his “journalism” to highlight something he enjoys. Instead, he deliberately provokes one of the biggest fanbases of this site for the weakest of reasons: he’s not scared enough. Kinda pathetic.

  • Kimerz

    I admit…I gasped when I saw you hate Supernatural. But, like they say….to each his own. I am glad you have reasons for disliking it and have at least given it a chance. I understand how *frustrating* it is to completely dislike a show that everyone else is fawning over (I’m looking at you Grey’s Anatomy) and just not get it.

    I do think the banter is witty, though. Come on…”Well, check that off the to do list.” when Dean finally killed the YED. That was funny.

    I’m also a complete chicken so I’m glad its not too scary. I had to wait and watch that darned Bloody Mary episode in the daylight. I really enjoy the family dynamics and I think that they are very realistic. I completely symphathize with Dean’s desire to protect his little brother and throttle him at the same time.

  • NikkiHolly

    we’re about 20 comments in, so i’m assuming someone already corrected you on the Jessica thing.

    I love supernatural. You don’t like it. Great. Whatever. you’re entitled to your opinion.

    I just have 1 issue that really got me worked up. You insulted the actors. Okay, the guest actors aren’t always great. But the lead usually are. It’s clear that you’re an occasional viewer and that you haven’t followed the whole series. If you had, you would’ve realized that Jared Padalecki has grown so much as an actor. He is just so much better now than he ever was in Gilmore Girls or in the first season of Supernatural. And about Jensen….seriously? that’s the way he talks. His voice is the same isn’t much different at all in interviews….and it’s kinda really sexy.

  • ct

    Okay, let me address a few people in this single comment:

    Mel, you’re completely right about Heroes. I adored season one and was swept up in the nationwide mania over the show, but season two has annoyed me to no end. In fact, I’ve stopped watching. Maybe I’ll go back and watch on DVD later, maybe not… only time will tell.

    Nikkiholly: You’re completely right. As I said from the beginning, I tried the show for several episodes in season one and was wildly disappointed. I’ve come back periodically to check in on it and seen nothing to really change my mind. That said, you don’t exactly score points with me by saying that JP has “grown so much as an actor.” I don’t watch television to see people learn how to act. By the time they land a primetime series – not to mention their second major role – i expect them to already know how to act. Otherwise, they might just as well stick to modeling.

    KayDee: As any regular reader of this site knows, I do use this forum to highlight shows that I enjoy. But any true critic of the medium is not going to focus only on the things that they like. What would be the point? And so, on occasion, I decide to write about shows that I don’t like. And rather that simply say “this sucks” (which is the basic approach some commentors have taken to my opinion piece) I actually back up my opinion with information as to how that negative opinion came into being. Frankly, I’m amused by your ability to take my rather in-depth ramblings on why I don’t like the show and boil them down to my not being scared… and then, just for good measure, calling me pathetic. Your ability to reduce complicated issues into easily-digestible soundbites might make you a worthy adversary in the political arena. I kid, I kid…

    Maddy: It is not rude to critique actors. They are paid — and paid very well — to act, and nobody enters that profession without expecting people to be critical of their work. As for my doing better… well, darlin’, that’s why I’m not an actor. I tried it once, and all existing footage of that horrible incident has been burned. Except for the copy my mom keeps in order to blackmail me into showing up to the occasional holiday dinner.

    Nic: Gee, wasn’t that an insightful comment.

    Ciara: There’s nothing nasty or sad about expressing one’s opinion. In fact, the ability to do so is one of the things that makes America great. And while Daniel/thetvaddict is technically Canadian, I’m pretty sure he’s a big supporter of the first amendment to the constitution of the united states. You know, freedom of speech and all that jazz.

    Stephanie: It would be sad if one person’s opinion ruined any joy you might take from this site. In fact, as a general rule, I wouldn’t advocate letting one person’s opinion have that major an impact on you, period. Otherwise, you’ll find yourself with very little left to enjoy since there are very few arenas in this life where you will find that everyone agrees with your opinion on a topic.

  • Mel

    CT what episodes in S1 did you watch initially? I ask only because the episodes that truly hooked me on the show were later iin the season — Scarecrow, Faith, Shadow, Dead Man’s Blood, Salvation. The early stand-alones weren’t the strongest episodes, except Bloody Mary and Phantom Traveler. But after I was well and truly hooked by the characters, I had great fun watching all the episodes again — not as a horror show (I am totally not a horror genre fan) but as a — well I wanted to say family drama, but that’s not it exactly because it sure isn’t The Waltons — anyway — its not the horror I watch it for but the Winchesters journey and that probably doesn’t come across too much in bits and pieces you’d see as an occasional viewer.

  • http://whatisthegfor.vox.com Tim G.

    I’ll give a show 6 episodes for me to get invested and keep watching. I couldn’t even watch 4 of Supernatural back in its first season.

    CT is dead on when he criticizes the acting on this show. Let’s get real, neither Padalecki or Ackles are going to be winning a Saturn award, let alone an Emmy in their future. They’re pretty faces who know how to read, and that’s pretty much it.

    No, the show is not scary. Back when it started I called it a lame mix-up of Buffy and The X-Files. From what I read about the show on a weekly basis from sites like this, it hasn’t strayed too far from that.

    Vancouver can be a very versatile city to film in, so why is it in every scene I see of this show it looks like they’re filming in the same locations?

    It constantly amazes me that CW let this awful show continue and gave an A+ show like Veronica Mars the boot. Why would people watch cardboard cut-out actors when they could watch Kristen Bell and Enrico Colantoni?

  • Mark

    Now I am not not anywhere near close to one of those *scary* fangirls of this show, not even a girl, but it is still my favorite show on television and I’ll stick up for it.

    Is it perfect? God no. Does it have flaws? Absolutely. But it is always entertaining. Having watched this show the entire way through, I have come to terms that this is NOT supposed to be scary. I know they try to do it, but it’s just more of a “spooky” vibe than actually scares. And I agree, in the beginning of the series, the acting wasn’t dead on. But after half way through the first season, I was finally invested in these characters and their story. In fact, I have to believe that Jensen Ackles is one of the more talented actors out there. Having done some directing in college, I can pick out a good actor when I see one. This guy is good.

    And I also think if you were looking for something like Buffy in this show, then there is probably no surprise you don’t like it. They are two completely different shows. And given the fact that this show is on the CW and what they aren’t and are allowed to do, I’m amazed at what this show can pull out of it’s butt.

    Well, to each their own opinion, right?

  • Stephanie

    CT-
    Well, when you get on one of your fave sites and see the first post saying “Why I Hate..*insert fave show*”..it’s bound to p*** you off a little bit.
    I reread what you wrote…and still think that in order to truly hate or dislike a show..you gotta understand what the main purpose of the show is. It’s about, like someone said in an earlier post, the relationships between the brothers and their father, and saving lives. Anyone who doesn’t like that is, in my opinion, slightly damaged.
    And about Jared and Jensen? They work so hard for what they do, and you shouldn’t call them bad actors. I think both of them have improved since their earlier years, and have developed into fine actors. Jared continues to blow me away each episode, especially when I remember how he was on Gilmore Girls. And Jensen can’t help the way he talks. I find nothing wrong with it. He still portrays his characters perfectly and continues to amaze me as much as Jared.

    But I will agree with you on one point: Bela sucks. I hated her before she was even casted. The character was just a bad idea.

  • San

    Well, I’m not a fangirl – little too old for that. But this is the only show I watch regularly on TV. Why, because of the different story line: not cops, or doctors or lame ass comedies or reality shows. Also because of the variety of things on the show: comedy, drama, action, etc.

    I’d totally agree that it is not a horror show: I don’t watch horror flicks, and don’t find this scary at all. Now the last episode of the third season was pretty gory, but not overly so. So certainly, if that’s what you were looking for, then yes, you’d be disappointed. I think you’ve totally misunderstood the mythology of the story, but other’s have already cleared that point up.

    The snarky comments about the leads was a bit much, but if you don’t like them, then obviously you’re not going to enjoy a show where they’re in it 90% of the time. For a good lot of viewers, those two are the reason we watch the show; be it for their looks, or their acting and the chemistry between their on screen characters or whatever. Jensen’s voice never really bothered me – just sounds ‘American’ to me. Jared’s acting has improved immensely over the seasons and this year he’s really upped his game and grown up. And you watched Gilmore Girls??

    The new additions are most certainly not popular with a good percentage of the show’s watchers. They were an obvious ‘plan’ by the execs at the CW to try and get the fanboys interested with the addition of (non-existant) T&A. Neither girl can act, and the Bela character was suppposed to be a ‘one off’ appearance. It shows and is really dragging the whole show down, and no I’m not a ‘jealous fangirl’, but a mature adult who sees a show I enjoy, being put up on the block to bring in the coveted young male demographic… ugh.

    So, for me the show is the characters and their relationships: the great music; and the supernatural background. Yeah, it could be darker, and scarier and gorier… but it also wouldn’t be on the network – nor would it likely last long that way.

  • ewanspotter

    Tim,

    An A+ show like Veronica Mars? A show with a good first season that then dwindled creatively for two seasons until it was finally canned? Riiight. It wasn’t a bad show, on the contrary, but good Lord. Every time Supernatural comes up it’s back to whining about how it got your show canceled in some way. Maybe you should be looking at VM’s writers, not spending your time blaming everyone but the creative force behind your show. Kristen Bell — with, as some might say, her constantly perky so-called acting — isn’t God’s gift to humankind.

    You don’t like Supernatural. You don’t like its stars. Wooptiedo.

    But what do I know. I’m just a “Stoopernatural” fan who clearly knows nothing about the art of high-quality television. Something just can’t be good unless it has your blessing upon it. I bow down to your all- knowingness. May I too live in an elitist world where I spend my time being needlessly abrasive and insulting things other people enjoy, merely for the sake of it.

  • Michaela Gilmore

    I must confess to being very surprised when I saw your post on Supernatural and then both dismayed and angry when I read the content. First off, I want to make it clear that while I am a fan I don’t expect everyone in the world to be. Nor I believe do most SN fans. What angered me was the fact that your rant was not based on a balanced opinion or even an informed one, it was merely rude and insulting without much basis in fact. If you had actually bothered to watch more than a few episodes you would have seen that the reason for Jess being killed in the same way as Mary was explained by the YED himself and the story arc has been consistent all the way through. As for your comments on Jensen and Jared’s acting, I seriously cannot imagine you and I have watched the same show. Most actors these days seem to think overblown hysteria is a way to show emotion, but these two can make more of an impact with a look or a few words than most shows can with pages of dialogue. They are so skilled at subtle nuances, but I can only image if you are such a fan of films such as Nightmare on Elm Street that subtly is not something you can recognise. I have seen people awarded Emmys for acting that is not even half as good as the work Jensen and Jared do every single week. As for the horror element, at the end of the day the show is on at 9pm and therefore is limited in what it can have on screen. Although that said, I still think it is creepy and chilling as well as being one of the few shows that can blend humour and emotion seamlessly. I find most episodes laugh out loud funny at least once, so again I think we must be watching different things. Overall I found your comments to be ill informed, rude and insulting to a show that is – even at its worst – quality drama and you were intentionally nasty to two actors who, besides being talented, are very nice people. There was no need for it other than to shock or try to look clever like a school bully in a playground, but all it has done has lost you one person who was, until now, a regular visitor to the site. I definitely won’t be any longer.

  • Christina

    Why even take the time to put this? It is not an episode review it is a rant, you see this kind of thing on a message board so keep it there.

  • http://whatisthegfor.vox.com Tim G.

    ewanspotter,

    It’s about time you recognized my omniscience. Seriously, what took you so long?

  • voltzy

    Wow. I don’t watch Supernatural so I don’t have much of an opinion on the content of the post. However, I still went thru all the comments because- hahaha. People are FREAKING out, and it’s kind of cracking me up. also, the use of the word rude really gets me rolling. I just keep hearing Stephanie from Full House in my head. I’m a fangirl for many a show but…Come.On.

  • http://whatisthegfor.vox.com Tim G.

    Voltzy,

    How RUDE!

    My favorite was when she was little and couldn’t pronounce ‘r’ sounds so it sounded more like “How Wude!”

  • http://www.thetvaddict.com theTVaddict

    Voltzy,

    You did NOT just make a FULL HOUSE reference on theTVaddict.com!

  • ct

    Okay, let’s address a few more comments, shall we?

    First, as a general statement, let me just point out that it is not rude to suggest that someone is a bad actor. Television, movies and plays are littered with bad actors. Some of them actually become quite famous. That doesn’t mean that they are talented, it simply means that for some reason, people like them. Jennifer Love Hewitt comes immediately to mind. That girl is not a good actor, and yet she is amazingly popular. Also, just because someone, as Stephanie puts it, “works hard at what they do” does not necessarily mean that they are good at it. I’m sure that President Bush works very hard at what he does but… well, you get my point.\\

    Christina: Just because a person doesn’t like something does not make their opinion a “rant.” As with just about everything I write for this site, it was an opinion piece. That’s what I do. Everyone is more than welcome to agree or disagree because — and follow closely now — that’s what happens when someone expresses their opinion. It encourages spirited debate. And if you think that the Supernatural fans don’t absolutely love having a chance to get their collective knickers in a wad and jump to the defense of their show, I’d suggest you weren’t really paying attention to the comments. I know I loove doing that. When Daniel/thetvaddict recently blasted an episode of Dexter, I was right there, ready to defend it. It got my blood pumping. And that, kids, is what a good opinion piece does.

    Mel: I watched the pilot and then several episodes after that, including Bloody Mary, which I thought was… um… okay. Then I tuned in to several episodes when a particular advertising campaign caught my eye.

    Michelea: Sorry you weren’t pleased with the post, but let me ask you this question: If you tuned into a show repeatedly — let’s say you watched the first four episodes — and found that it wasn’t something you enjoyed, why would you continue watching? I think it’s completely unfair to call my opinion “uninformed” simply because it does not walk lovingly hand-in-hand through life with yours. When I spoke of the film Nightmare on Elm Street, I was not using it as a reference to the acting. If I wanted to reference a horror flick with both scares and fantastic acting — and, I might add, one that was basically overlooked by most — I’d suggest people run, not walk, to the video store and rent the flick Behind The Mask: The Rise Of Leslie Vernon. It is wonderfully acted, very funny and scary as all get-out when it needs to be. And again, if my comments drive you away from the site, I would have to say that it is your loss… and I’d suggest that perhaps you might want to get a thicker skin. After all, as has been repeatedly stated, what I wrote was an opinion piece. I’d suspect that in the future, you’re going to run into other people who have opinions you strongly disagree with. I absolutely loath and despise the opinions expressed nightly on The OReilly Factor, and yet I watch pretty much nightly because I enjoy being able to see life from the other side. I like being able to feel superior to him because my opinion, which of course I believe to be the RIGHT one, is so completely opposed to his.

    Voltzy: I’m right there with you. I expected that there would be some folks out there who, um, didn’t take kindly to my piece. But it’s rather amusing the venom spewing forth. If only we could channel that energy toward something like saving the environment or perhaps ending the war in Iraq… or at least getting them to be excited about a better show. (I kid, I kid. Put down the weapons!)

  • Melissa

    Someones putting to much stock in television… If your lacking something dont go to the TV to find it. Its all about the entertainment factor….you we’rent enterianed, aww to bad move on, why you gotta be all down on something that makes tons of other people happy.

    Sounds like someone just likes to stir the pot and hear themself talk. Maybe if you did watch each show with an open mind you would get what everyones so excited about, but you didnt, so shut it please.

  • Jamie

    Wow, I’m shocked at the amount of vitriol you have for this show. Piss-poor story telling, bad acting. You sure you didn’t tune into Grey’s Anatomy by accident? Catch a glimpse of Maya and Alejandro on Heroes? I mean, really, you found no redeeming qualities whatsoever in Supernatural, this cult favorite? Even with the gore content pushing the envelope so far that the show is probably creating new standards in TV censorship? (Have you SEEN the episode where the guy gets a power saw through his chest?!) For someone who describes himself as pretty much a hardcore horror fan (Although – Clegg and Laymon – realllly? Do you mistake water for whiskey, too?) I can’t believe you’re not more impressed with the show than that. But, okay, I agree with you on the continuity thing. The writing in season 2 did take a few too many pointless turns and by the end the whole women immolated on the ceilings bit was made out to be a random thing. Big let down. And perhaps male viewers would rather have more jump scares and suspense than woobie emo scenes – I’d like to have more horror in my favorite horror show, too – and I don’t like the new girls much either, but overall, wow, such a scathing opinion that I honestly have to question whether we’re talking about the same show. To each his own, I guess. The only thing I can tell you is that core of the show is based more on the relationship between the brothers than broken-jawed, intestine-trailing zombies (though that would be cool), and about them trying to save each other. If you’re looking for a few truly intense episodes, though, if your opinion isn’t too deadset already, how about trying “Bloodlust”, “The Usual Suspects” and the most recent “Fresh Blood” on for size?

  • http://whatisthegfor.vox.com Tim G.

    I take my earlier statement back. Supernatural fangirls are by far WORSE than any Whedon-ite.

  • zoe

    who cares about your stupid opinion
    get a life… if you dont like it fine, but no one really cares, just shut up and stop being a twat
    SUPERNATURAL IS AWESOME
    im a fan and proud of it!

  • Dea

    I have to admit that, at the beginning, I was very reluctant to tune into Supernatural. Firstly, because I’m not a horror fan (so it’s completely true to say that Supernatural’s not that scary at all)…but secondly because of the praise and everything else that it got from its fans. I watched it, and I LOVE it to bits. No, it’s not perfect…yes, some of the things irritate me (such as Bela, for example) but I enjoy it. Indeed, if you were looking for horror, gore and scary along the lines of Freddy and Jason, you’re bound to be disappointed and, looking at the show that is compared to what you’d hoped it would be might bring it down in your opinion but I believe “hate” such as you begin by saying you would further show is a strong word for something I’m not sure I can totally find the reason for within the article itself; I just found a bunch of insults with not too much to back up said claims – and some of the proof shown is, in fact, incorrect.

    That said, you are completely entitled to your opinion and I second the apology because, quite frankly, there’s a difference between disagreeing and giving reasons for said disagreement; it’s another to be calling names.

  • Me

    Many of the comments are irritating me more than the actual article. People really need to stop pigeon-holing every female who likes this show into that “crazy fangirl” category. It’s close-minded and frankly unfair to those of us who are fans of the show and just happen to be.. yes.. *gasp*.. girls. Now I agree that there are some who are pretty rabid and pathetically driven by their need to have good-looking leading men as opposed to quality storylines or anything deeper than how ‘hott’ the guys are. And yes, that aspect really saddens me. But that’s just a handful of the show’s viewers. You can’t let a couple hundred live-and-die-by-the-internet obsessive girls represent the millions of viewers of this show. The show is greater than the sum of its (semi-delusional) parts. Bottom line: Don’t insult an entire gender by assuming that everyone who is a fan of this show has a Jensen Ackles life-sized poster hanging over their bed.

  • Kareena

    Well, I agree with the Bela part, at least. I feel she’s definitely detracted from the show. I still love me some Supernatural, though.

  • Kareena

    Oh and, I’m like, SUPENATURAL’S BIGGEST FAN, but some of you guys need to calm down. People are allowed to have dissenting opinions, and yes, even hate the show. Stop making us all look crazy.

  • Alaerys

    K.. I really like the show. I actually enjoy the actors performances.
    I’m also the queen of rant. And trust me people, what he blah’d on the site was not a rant. It was a clearly stated opinion.
    No, most of you may not agree with it. I personally don’t.
    But this is still a free media and people are allowed to say what they want. Since the feds aren’t coming down from the sky to ‘take him out’ for his offhand and completely ACCURATE comment on Bush, why the hell should we give a damn what he says about a show that we like.
    Him not liking it won’t make me like it any less.
    His opinion of the actors won’t make me enjoy their work any less.
    I TOO am a lover of horror and I find this doesn’t exactly fit in with that genre. It makes a good attempt, but falls short. But it’s also a primetime show on a family network. So it’s options are limited.
    I know this.
    I absorb this.
    I let it go and enjoy my brain candy.
    There are lots of shows that I think are stupid that other people watch, and they look at me with the same visage of disgust when I tell them I’m off to watch Supernatural. It’s a fact of life.
    WE ARE NOT MADE FROM COOKIE CUTTER!!

    *pant pant pant*

  • ct

    Oh, goody! More comments to respond to!

    Jamie: Okay, let’s just make something clear. I never, ever said I wanted the show to be gorier… or gory, period. I said scary. Unfortunately, there are far too many people who equate the two, which is one of the problems with the horror genre today. And sorry, but Laymon’s The Travelling Vampire Show is an amazing piece of horror fiction. (I will, however, concede that Clegg isn’t exactly a great in the field. How about if I replace him with Simon Clark?) I’ll also cop to being a GREY’S fan (although not so much this season), but will say in my defense that with GREY’S, I get exactly what I was promised: A soapy medical drama. I think a lot of my attitude toward SUPERNATURAL comes from the fact that the creator went out of his way when pumping the show before it debuted to say that this was going to be the scariest thing on television, that every week we’d jump out of our seats, and it simply did not deliver on that promise. Not even close. (Although I will seek out those eps you mentioned and give them a look.) I’d also point out that cult favorites remain exactly that becauase they can’t quite connect with the majority of people out there… and I guess I’m one of those people. Which is weird, because I’m usually all about cult favorite shows. By the way, I like your style… you had me at the “do you mistake water for whiskey” crack.

    Tim G: What are you trying to do? Make yourself even more hated than me? I’ve got an extra flack jacket if you wanna borrow it…

    Melissa: I said it before and I’ll say it again, ’cause you must not have been paying attention: A major component of this site is, I think Daniel would agree, opinion pieces. Commentary on what we all watch. What we like what we don’t like. To sort of paraphrase yourself, “someone puts too much stock in the opinions of others. Don’t like what you read? Move on to something else!”

  • http://whatisthegfor.vox.com Tim G.

    CT,

    I’ll take that flak jacket off your hands, thanks!

    Supernatural may not be scary but its fans sure are, eh?

  • Wishful Thinker

    It took you three years to post that you hated the show from the get go? HAHAHAHAHAHA, ok, slow are we?

    Supernatural isn’t rivetting drama, but it’s a lot better than what passes of as “quaility” television these days. So, for me it works, Jensen Ackles’ acting far surpasses that of many other tv actors and Jared Padalecki has improved greatly this season. So, for me, it’s a great little show, for you, it’s a show that took you some time to figure out you don’t like it.

    To each his own, I guess.

  • rebel

    I agree to Supernatural not being sent from heaven and I agree that there’re flaws but nothing is the world is without flaws, no show is 100% perfect or 100% pure bad but there’s a point that I didn’t understand why did you give it more than a try when you seriously hated it? I watched 3 episodes of Buffy and whenever I’d catch it up on TV again I’d flip to another channel, same with Angel, same with Charmed and the 3rd season of Lost, I LOVED Lost in its 1st season but afterwards seriously what was that?
    I understand it when you hate Jared and Jensen, there’re great actors out there who are simply good and solid actors but whom I can’t stand for one minute on the screen and they’re Oscar nominees and top rated, top paid, blah blah blah…I agree with freedom of opinion, everybody says whatever he wants to say the only thing that maybe made me a bit angered was the title I guess it would be a bit saddening when yo see your favourite show being HATED, not just “dislike or feel ambiguous toward the show, but feel pure, unadulterated hate” this is what made me aww! But still I think that whatever we write here it won’t let the SPN lovers swear never to watch it again and it won’t let the haters change their minds and suddenly like it
    To me SPN is a different phenomenon, a beautiful change from the stress of daily life which is made worse by local TV and soapy medical dramas, tome me its an oasis where I escape to fullfill 45 minutes of amusement and entertainment, I fully clear understand that it can’t be the same for everyone and I understand the haters -my own Dad and best friend included- but at the same time I’ll keep watching it and loving it and I’ll ask haters simply to not watch it because I understand how frustrated they’d get when they see Jensen or Jared or anything actually from the elements of this world
    I agree on gore not being equal to scary, I love scary and never watched gory bloody movies, couldn’t stand them
    Please don’t tell me Supernatural was overrated while Grey’s seriously isn’t? In my opinion this shouldn’t have lasted for more than two running season and actually this kind of shows gives me a yawn…
    Probably you hate a show more when you leave then come in the middle, seriously I don’t advice you to watch it, it’s a free country and you seem to loath the thing so why give it another try, that’d be pure masochism, right?
    I hope my feedback wasn’t too offensive, I hate it when I sound irrational and driven, I wanted to express my love of the show with no intention of jumping at you, we’re not all Stoopernatural girls, y’know?

  • Reggie

    I am a Supernatural fan and I`m not bothered at all by this article. Everybody has the right to like or dislike whatever they want for whatever reason. I find Grey`s Anatomy to be soapy dreck and yet it`s the number one show. Veronica Mars bored me to tears – gasp – as did Lost. Big whoop.

    The criticism that the show doesn`t live up to its potential, well, that`s also highly subjective. Smallville is one show that spat on its own potential in my opinion. For Supernatural I had little expectations to what direction it would go – it went character-driven and focused on the brotherly relationship and I`m loving that. The urban legends were never so near and dear to my heart anyway. But YMMV.

    Even acting is up to debate and not a “fact” of “I say so, therefore it`s true”. To me Jensen has done a terrific job all throughout and Jared is now up to par. If they are gonna win awards or not, I don`t know.
    Most of the people that do or are even nominated I find to be mediocre to outright bad. Patrick Dempsey does acting on Grey`s? Could have fooled me. There are well-known movie actors who suck balls IMO.

  • vacant13

    Hi,

    Was just reading this article because, as a fan of Supernatural, I was interested in what someone would have to say in opposition to the fans who believe the show can do no wrong.

    Well, I’m a fan of Supernatural, but I also feel like it could be a million times better than what it is now. CT, you made great points overall. I’m not going to go nuts about it because those are some of the same complaints I’ve had. I might disagree on the effects, because Chamed? That’s a little harsh to me….just a little. Could they be better? Of course. That’s a matter for money from the head honchos of the CW though…as with any show that has FXs. I’d like to see Supernatural have the budget of Battlestar Galactica proportions in its heyday.

    Continuity? Totally agree, it drives me mad when I think of something that the writers mentioned earlier in a season then they bring up a contradicting scene later. If they bring something up, follow through and finish it with clarity. Sometimes they do. The father arch from season one I thought was done well and cut at the beginning of season two well. Now if they could only do that with the “special kids” and such…

    Watching season one to season three though, I barely can watch season one. It’s just bad acting to start with, but I think that they have gotten better, especially Jared. Are they hot? Yes. Are they improving? Yes, thank goodness. But what’s the difference between them and any talking pretty head girl out there? Do I not like the Bela character? Absolutely. She drives me nuts. I feel like she’s there as a plot device of “HEY! I got the answer! And I’m British!” character. Spare me.

    But I think I stick with it because I disagree with your opinion on the writing. For me, it has a cheesy charm when the two brothers are talking in a motel room to working on a case or when they are running for their lives. It works for some and I’m a writer so…I dunno, there’s a weird charm about it that I can’t describe. It either works for some or doesn’t. It’s like Grey’s or Gilmore Girls or 24. Look how different the writing is and if it falls flat, the fans will recognize it. However, there’s a reason SN is still on the air and it can’t all be because of Jensen and Jared’s good looks.

    Just wanted to say that there are some fans of SN that aren’t insane and out to get you, CT. I agree with your comments for the most part, but there is an endearing quality to the show that I enjoy.

    And the site is excellent! Please keep up the good work! You guys do a great job!

    Cheers, Vacant13

  • Sarah C

    I love this show and WE ARE NOT ALL CRAZY.

  • ewanspotter

    Tim,

    Sorry. I was too busy lusting after Jensen Ackles.

  • stu

    If you don’t like a showfine, but trashing actors is just uncalled for. Grow up and get a life!

  • Amber

    To each their own. That’s what it all comes down to. Wether you like a show or you don’t depends on your taste. Wether you like and actor or not and think they’re good or not also depends on taste.

    And I will agree that it could be scarier. Maybe I’ve just gotten immune to it…

    Just, please don’t think all SPN fans are crazy. We aren’t. A lot of us are quite sane. The crazy ones simply tend to stick out in a crowd.

  • Jane

    Yeah, you missed where it was explained how Jessica’s death wasn’t not contrary to the reason all the mothers died.

    I do agree with you about Bela – she would have been good as a one-off, but no more. I’ll add that the other new chick is also pretty bad – she’s a walking cliche (tough! hot! skinny, yet strong! long, flowing, overstyled hair!) but the demon aspect might have been cool if, you know they’d hired someone who could act – like at all.

    I must disagree with you about Jensen Ackles though. I’ve been quite impressed with his acting. It’s subtle, but very detailed. Not perfect, sure, but who is. Jared Padalecki – I’ll give you was a little rough in the beginning of the series but I think has improved a lot as the series has progressed.

    I am a fan of the show – not one of the blind “it’s the awesomest thing ever and curses on any who say otherwise!” sorts, but still I do love it. But then I didn’t find it in the beginning. I only started watching about half-way through the second season when it was really hitting its stride then I went back and watched the rest. I guess if you start where it’s really good, you’re more willing to forgive the rougher spots in the beginning.

  • Elle

    I enjoy Supernatural, but my expectations aren’t too high and I agree that it could be a lot better. Ackles and Padaclecki may not be the best actors in the business, but personally (and, of course, I stress “personally” here), I find them not only suitable but considerably good — especially in the element of this show.

    But what I’m really commenting to say is, for the sake of expressing a new (and most likely rare when it comes to this fandom) opinion, I’m enjoying Bela (and Ruby) so far. What can I say, I’m a sucker for cliches. Take that, ya’ big crazies.

  • AJ

    I agree that this show is not scary. I’m pretty easily terrified and Supernatural has only made me jump once throughout all three seasons. So if that’s what you’re watching for, then I’m definitely agreeing with you that within the confines of that criteria, it’s lacking. But then, how could it not be? Look at the target demographic, not to mention it’s on the CW.

    I also agree that there is a lot to be desired about this show and certain directions it’s taken, especially with the recent addition of the gratuitous female characters. I only watch about three TV shows, and this is the one that is currently closest to my heart, but it’s also the one I file in the “slightly embarrassing to love” category. It’s like X-Files for pre-adolescent girls. It’s at times horrendously cheesy (see that entire ‘Sam falls in love with a werewolf in the span of 24 hours, which in turn presents him with a heart-wrenching moral dilemma’ episode), it can’t figure out how to present a three dimensional female character–hell, it can’t figure out a way to *not* sexualize and objectify every female character–and it’s pretty formulaic, even at its best.

    So, as you can see, Supernatural fans (and I’m a huge fan, I can’t get enough of this show!) aren’t inable to criticize it. In fact, I really tried to take your criticisms of it seriously, but you lost me completely when you called Jensen a bad actor. That guy carries this show on his shoulders every week. He can act circles around plenty of other people currently gracing the small screen in more successful shows than this. Watch “All Hell Breaks Loose Part 2″ or “In My Time of Dying” and try to say different. He can break your heart with a single look and then have you cracking up a minute later. If you can’t at least see that, then I’m convinced we’re watching different shows.

    I think perhaps the reason you hate the show is that you’re looking for something other than what it’s able to give you. You were like, “awesome, a TV show that’s one big horror movie!” and instead you got a story about two brothers on a roadtrip with some guns, a few demons, and a ton of emotional baggage. And I guess it’s okay to be disappointed that it’s not all screams and scares, but I wish you could appreciate the parts of the show that are actually pretty great. For me, and I suspect for many fans, the show is about the relationship between Sam and Dean. It’s about watching them grow as characters and brothers and friends. And if they happen to slaughter some evil things along the way, even better.

  • PCR

    CT,

    What baffles me is not so much that you dislike Supernatural. Everybody is entiteld to like or dislike anything they want. No problem. You don’t like it? Fine. But hate? Hate is a very strong word and it sounds downright childish in this connection.

    That said I am a fan of the show, yes, and I do think that both Jared and Jensen are great actors. My opinion, yes, and I have a right to have it.

    I’m also a major horror fan and I love anything that gives me a good scare, a damend hard thing to do in this day and age since most horror movies today are … well, let’s face it … crap. At least to me. Because I’ve watch a lot of them and I can’t take them seriously any more. I love the Nightmare on Elm Street movies (not all of them, mind you, but the good ones) and I get a kick out of Freddy’s nasty comments.

    But I do not compare horror movies to tv-shows. And Supernatural is a tv-show. I’m generally convinced that if Eric Kripke had free reins, he would trun your stomach with this show. But he doesn’t. He has to bow to the censors and that makes it real tough to make a good horror show.

    All I’m trying to say is that if you invest that much in a tv-show that you actually ‘hate’ it, you might want to consider your priorities in life. I just don’t see the need to ‘hate’ anything that’s on television. I am not a fan of reality TV, for instance, wouldn’t watch it if you paid me a million bugs. But I can’t say that I hate it because I just cannot be bothered to invest that many emotions in it.

    Enough said.

  • Chrissy

    I’m a fan of Supernatural and I think I may love you. The end.

  • Sarah C

    AJ. I have to say you are so right about Jensen’s acting, He is an amazing actor which can not be said for most of the ‘so called actor’ in other show, And know other show has a bond like Jensen and Jared have.

  • wench

    well, chu right about one thing. the fans will attack. that’s how we roll.
    now, if you had known anything about the actual plotline of the show, you would know that the reasons Mrs. Winchester and Sam’s GF (Jess) both went up in flames it is because the main bad guy, the Yellow-Eyed Demon, was after said women. because they were both related to Sam somehow.
    now, i kinda wonder why you would lambast Jensen for his voice, but not his talent. kinda low on the blow my man. Jared is still learning his craft. now, if you would have stayed a viewer, you would notice his tremendous improvements throughout all three seasons.
    please, if you’re going to attack a show, do it with some research. heck, you could’ve asked any number of fans and they would have explained you complaints.
    yes, the writers make mistakes. no, you didn’t find any one of them.

  • JonathanK

    I don’t think you can validly criticise a show for it’s mythology when you are an occassional viewer. Of course you’re going to miss things and things are going to go over your head. I missed half of the last season of Lost and was left fairly confused by the last few episodes, but that’s not the fault of the show.

    I agree with you on Bela, that character was a mistake and hopefully the writers will recognise this as they have done with previous characters. I will have to disagree strongly on your criticism of Jared and Jensen as actors. This “I don’t watch a show to see someone learn how to act”: what rubbish. You are always learning as an actor, constantly coming into contact with people who improve your craft. Plenty of shows have had their wobbly actors in the beginning, who then grow into great actors as they get into the rhythm of the role (the casts of Farscape and Stargate being two examples). While I believe Jared was a respectable actor in the first place, he has been consistantly impressive this season, and in my opinion there was never anything wrong with Jensen’s acting.

    On the criticism of the horror: the recent changeling episode is a good example of how scary Supernatural can be. There was a mix of jump out of your seat scares and creepy psychological horror. The show also does suspense very well, something that Buffy often didn’t manage in a 45 minute slot. But I admit, I’m not a huge horror buff myself, so I’m looking at the show from a different perspective. The majority of SPN fans, including myself, don’t watch for the scares, they watch for the characters and their relationship. So even if they don’t think the horror is up to scratch it doesn’t affect the enjoyment of the show.

  • ct

    Zoe: There’s little I love more than when someone suggests another person “grow up” and then backs that up with a good old-fashioned school-yard taunt like “twat.” Why? Because I’m a huge fan of irony.

    AJ: You’re completely right in your assessment of why I don’t enjoy the show.

    Oh, and everyone, I was hoping that the whole “I hate this show” thing would be recognized for the reverse hyperbole that it was intended to be. So many megafans of the show rave that I hoped some might understand that the “hatred” I was expressing was exaggerated. Some got it, some didn’t. That’s how we roll, right kids?

    To those who asked that I realize not all of the show’s fans are crazy, many of you definitely made that clear with your well-written, obviously well-thought-out responses to my piece. I especially give major kudos to those who recognized it as being an opinion piece and realize that in this big, bad world, we’re not all gonna agree… and that’s okay.

    To those fans of the show who… um… are crazy, more power to you. I’d be lying if I didn’t say that in the past, there were shows about which I was absolutely obsessed. Don’t even try and bad-mouth THE EDGE OF NIGHT around me, or the first 10 or so seasons of KNOTS LANDING.

    But above all, I’d really hope that the one thing everyone takes away from this is that this side — and our amazing host, Daniel — is not just here to praise the things that we love, but to also offer up criticism of the things we don’t. It’s a place for breaking news, but also for spirited debates and differing opinions. Because if we don’t have that, what’s the point of living in a free society?

  • ct

    And yeah, I said KNOTS LANDING. Bring it on.

  • MasterofPuppets

    CT, I am sorry you don’t like, okay, hate, Supernatural. You don’t get it. Not everyone does. It’s a shame, but what can you do? It’s going to be a hit with everyone, no show is.

    You’re right. You’re a critic and thusly criticize all aspects of that which you like and dislike. You did a thorough job and while I disagree with your overall impression, I appreciate that you went all in with this, knowing the backlash that would occur. So, thanks for doing your job, depsite the risks.

    Again, I’m sorry you don’t get Supernatural, but I’m not going to try and convince you otherwise, so there’s no point in sharing why I like it. No epiphanies on your part. Just like I won’t fall suddenly in love with Grey’s or Heroes because people yell at me to do so.

    I will say thank you for the press though.

    Tim, I do realize that there are those extreme fangirls out there. It happens in every fanbase. But you do a great disservice to those of us fans who’ve come here and expressed our thoughts in an intelligent and respectful manner.

    What I find “scary”, is that you have nothing better to do than go after fans who came here to offer rebuttal to CT’s critique. I find that says more about you than the “crazy fans” of this show, and that’s just sad.

  • silvia

    Hi there :)

    I quite like Supernatural. I wish they made a spin-off all focused on John Winchester, but it’s not going to happen. And no, the comics don’t count. *G*
    In fact, I can say I love Supernatural, and I do realize part of my investment is having shared this interest with other people – and made good friends – through and because of it.
    As a tv series…it has its flow. I love that at least is horror-themed (I study television. I watch hundreds of hours of tv. I can’t bear to watch yet another doctor/lawyer/cop based show), and I am always very amused when I read that people get scared watching it, because, uh, it’s NOT scary. It’s not on cable, how could it be?
    Some people don’t watch Supernatural because of its horror theme, or because a splatter of blood scares them. I think they do what they can, what the CW lets pass, but at least it’s somewhat different from most of the rest (the neverending bed hopping a la GA, anyone? Erm.)

    Like o or dislike of the actors is totally subjective. I personally like Ackles’ acting, while Padalecki’s is growing on me, and yes, they’re two handsome guys, but I’m older, and me, I find the Dad (John Winchester) more handsome *G*

    The dialogue has its moment, but it’s not Buffy. I never much liked Buffy, but I do understand and see the wit in most of its exchanges. Supernatural is more ..’natural’ I suppose. Less willing to impress. And again, it’s down to personal liking and disliking.

    All considered, of course not everyone likes it. I watched six episodes of Heroes before deciding it was a complete waste of my time and ripe with unresolved gender issues and plot holes (although, Hiro is an adorable character anyway), and yet it was phenomenally successful.
    I can’t stand GA (the above mentioned bed hopping), and again, millions watch it.

    The mythology in Supernatural is actually tighter than it seems. Part of the Special Children plot depended completely on Azazel’s plans, and since they failed, it makes sense that that particular storyline has fallen aside: without the Yellow Eyed Demon to push and poke at it, those children will happily stay unscathed.

    If you have the time, however, I wish you would watch the second series episode Nightshifter, because not only the guest star rocks (like many do in SPN), but the whole episode truly reads like a film.
    I certainly don’t think it will not change your opinion of the show, but you will watch a solid hour of well filmed, well acted television, with a little supernatural element thrown in, continuity, a little bantering, some drama, some comedy.

    Me, I’ll be waiting for John Winchester’s spirit to knock on doors and protect his boys every way he can :D

  • Stephanie

    I’m not going to add to the posts about inaccuracies or the other complaints people have had about the original blog, although I agree with them. You’re certainly entitled to your *opinion* of the show, but you also need to be aware that giving that opinion in this type of format suggests it is a review of the show (which implies authority and is more naturally inclined to get people upset). Personally, I disagree with almost everything you said (except for the bit about the addition of new characters) and get angry about the ‘fangirl’ label (I’m a 34 year old professional with multiple postgraduate degrees).

    My question to you is, would Buffy or X-Files have been the same shows if they had been on the CW? If TPTB had tried to force changes to the shows or put them in constant fear of cancellation (changing the way the long term storylines played out), would they have been as good as they were?

    Supernatural has the misfortune of always being on the bubble and of having network execs who try to force certain changes (to capture certain demographics) at the expense of the plot. No, it’s not perfect, but it’s a damn good show with a great cast and crew. If it was on a different network, with creative freedom, without network meddling, with the luxury of time to allow storylines to evolve naturally, it would be an even better show.

    Who knows? Even you, CT, may have enjoyed it.

  • Sarah

    Okay, I’ve never been here before today, but shouldn’t forums like these be places to intelligently discuss opinions? That being said, I am a fan of Supernatural and would like to discuss some of the points of the above piece and not in an attempt to try and prove to C.T. that he/she is wrong, but to further discussion.

    I guess I’ll start with your first point- I, and many people I know, have been scared at times with Supernatural. I think back to the episode of ‘Home’ in the first season- even though everybody knew that as soon as the plumber/mechanic put his hand down the garbage disposal it was going to turn on, I still was pretty freaked until it actually happened. Even in its predictability I found scares. I can think of three people I know who refuse to watch the show at night. My younger brother has had nightmares about it. You don’t find it suspenseful, creepy, or frightening in anyway. Some people do. I’m supposedly very gullible, and maybe that’s why I find it scary at times. I think this aspect of one’s appreciation for the show just depends on who you are. I mean, I can’t remember an episode of Buffy that held me in suspense like I feel when watching Supernatural- not that you were comparing their level of thrills; I’m just saying that I think that aspect is truly a matter of opinion.

    I don’t think the scripts have really clichéd dialogue either- at least not compared to any of the shows out there right now. I mean, television dialogue is rarely naturalistic (sitcoms, soaps, etc all have their particular feel of “language”) so I guess I find that all dialogue in television is clichéd to a point. I think there is some great, original dialogue in the show. There’s at least one line a week that makes me laugh out loud. And I find the banter much wittier than on Buffy. I think the concept for Supernatural is really original and unlike anything else on TV right now, and that also gives the dialogue some originality. Again, personal opinion.

    Special effects? You win- the first season was particularly awful, but I do think that there have been large strides made in the second and third seasons in that regard. (Yes, the Charmed comment stung… I admit it.)

    I have to say, even though I’m a Sam-fan, I think Jensen is a wonderful actor. Maybe you think Dean is a rather flat character? (I’ve heard him accused as such, anyway.) I think Jensen makes the most subtle changes of facial expressions sometimes, and so clearly. Also, to be fair, acting is an occupation where you constantly grow and learn, because the real learning can only come through experience. So, if Jared has gotten better as time has gone on, that’s only natural. And let’s be honest, the entertainment industry isn’t exactly discriminating regarding talent. (I’m sure we can all think of examples in film, television, and music that probably got their fame for other reasons than their talent.) Casting a mediocre actor as the lead of a primetime show is closer to the rule than the exception. Thankfully for the show, Jared has gotten better as an actor as he’s worked on it. (But again, that’s my opinion.)

    The story arc does get a little frustrating sometimes, but as much as I look forward to finding out the truth just like the Winchester brothers, if I knew it all from the beginning, there wouldn’t be nearly as much of a compulsion to tune in. I didn’t really think the the revelation regarding the other women with 6 month old children was an inconsistency, but just another clue in the mystery. I don’t feel as if they’re always making things up as they go along, but I wouldn’t say they’ve created a perfect arc, no. I don’t really think many shows have/can. I don’t think Buffy did. (I use Buffy because you mentioned it and it has often been compared with Supernatural, but I should probably use a wider variety of examples. My apologies.) Again, my opinion.

    I guess, in summary, my response to you is, I agree, the show could be better, but I think it’s better to begin with than you do. Which is fine. Just, even though I agree with you on the special effects thing- Charmed? It hurts. Is there another show perhaps that wouldn’t sting so much? ;-)

  • http://blacklid.livejournal.com Blacklid

    Those little dead spiders in Bugs were so very obviously from a dollar store! So, so bad. Spent all their T&M on bees… Yes, they were awful at first, but they are getting so much better – and more gory!

    I read your article, carefully weighed each point. I’m struggling with your purpose here. I appreciate that you wrote this. It was very brave, considering your audience. As a fan, I don’t spend my time trying to convince other people to like it, but I do like to get into myth discussion with people who are interested. Big difference, yes?

    In the end, it’s all about preference and whether a story speaks to you or not. It seems like you viewed with a line drawn in the sand based on other horror genre materials. Supernatural clearly didn’t get to start off with a blank slate. Any TV show, or movie for that matter, would be unable to live up to such a high personal level of expectation. So, I totally get it. It’s hard to like a show if it doesn’t make sense to you or you were expecting something else. When listening to people talk about it, people who do try to understand and do understand it, the frustration of being out of the loop could drive you into the realm of hating it rather easily.

    If you truly wanted certain aspects explained to you, a large number of us would be glad to do so. In fact, one of the best parts about intellectual Supernatural fans (where we hide in the depths of fandom, anyway) is that we pick this show apart, too. We analyze and criticize and ask the hard questions and say the things that are hard for Kripke and the writers to hear. We couldn’t do that if we thought it was perfect. We do it because we love the idea and we want more.

    That said, I hope that readers take this article seriously. There is a lot of good reflection in here, some of which the show has addressed and some it has not, some I agree with, some I don’t. Your insights are good in a lot of places (Taking it downtown with the actors though? A little harsh. Just sayin’, as recency goes. You should watch a recent episode; 3.02 is on next week. They’ve really grown into these characters since you left. You’re missing out!)

    Thanks for the discussion!

  • Gary

    Holy attack of the fandom Batman!

    CT: Congratulations. I think this article is the most replied article in TVAddict history. Great work.

    Although a fan of the show, I just have to thank you for this great laugh, some of these comments are beyond hilarious. Now if you could please write an article on Grey’s Anatomy or Heroes…ones that truly deserve the criticism.

  • Ashley

    You imply that you are being mature, CT, but you clearly are not. Mature people do not berate other people’s responses with “witty” snark.
    And I use that term loosely.
    Anyway, getting back to my original premise… I respect your opinions. As you so shrewdly stated, everyone is entitled to one. I even agree with some of your observations. I usually don’t respond to these types of things because all the cyber-arguing seems a tad bit petty to me. But, I feel the need to voice my own opinion on this one. Supernatural: The mythology has holes, the special effects are a little bit sucky and Jared’s hair is a travesty, but Jensen’s acting is not bad at all. He is definitely not the best actor out there but he is very solid. Supernatural is one of those shows that packs in a lot of different emotions into one episode and Jensen handles them all beautifully.
    So, that’s my response… I’m out.

  • Z

    The insane fans aren’t helping anything. Like someone above said, we are not all crazy.

    Now, I’m a big fan of Supernatural. Discovered it halfway through season 2 and have been obsessed since. That said, I do agree with some of what you’ve said here. The show has a lot of lost potential, could stand to be scarier, considering its name (especially this season), and generally just needs to be cleaned up. Though I’m not that partial to hardcore horror, episodes from the first season like Asylum were far and away my favorites for being about as scary as Supernatural ever gets. (As is, it manages to get in a lot of gore and cursing for its time slot – so where are the scares?)

    And continuity could also be handled better. So could the characters. The boys work excellently together, but the tacked on ladies this season are just that – tacked on. Again, could have been done better. Ellen is the most interesting, dynamic woman this show will ever see, and she does not get enough screen time.

    However, I have to disagree about Jensen’s acting. It’s a personal opinion, of course, but he seems pretty talented to me. Some people say the true test of a TV/film actor is if they could carry off a stage performance just as well. Could Jensen? .. I honestly don’t know. But I’d like to think he could. And Jared’s acting is no less skilled, on that note. They know what it means not to overact and go for nuance instead, which is a gift in the business of TV dramas.

    The show, as a whole, is one of those “if only” things for me. If only it were as good as you just KNOW it could be, eh? Instead of just a few steps short. But as is, I’ll continue to love it anyway.

  • Jamie

    Jamie: Okay, let’s just make something clear. I never, ever said I wanted the show to be gorier… or gory, period. I said scary. Unfortunately, there are far too many people who equate the two, which is one of the problems with the horror genre today.

    Oh, right, totally agree with you. There’s most certainly a difference. I have much more appreciation for intensely scary than I do for gore – but I’m thrilled by gore if it’s done with the creep factor ratcheted way up. Like the originals of Alien, Texas Chainsaw Massacre (which, of course, has a reputation as being gory but in actuality is not), and Halloween. The sequels and re-makes that followed were insipid and stupidly gory. And today, though I have a soft spot for Saw and Hostel (once again, the originals only) you just can’t beat some of those great old shockers like, say, The Haunting, The Changeling or The Legend of Hell House. That psychological, what you can’t see will get you, is what has kept my interest in the genre for so long.

    And sorry, but Laymon’s The Travelling Vampire Show is an amazing piece of horror fiction.

    You know what? I’ve heard that many times about that book. I read one of the Beast House chronicles books (not knowing it was a series until I finished what apparently was the second novel), The Lake, Endless Night, and Body Rides. Laymon just seemed like a Dean Koontz knockoff to me. Now, I’m gonna have to read that one.

    (I will, however, concede that Clegg isn’t exactly a great in the field. How about if I replace him with Simon Clark?)

    Meh, yeah, Clegg starts out his books with great potential and then manages to disappoint. I had a few of those residing next to some Thomas Harris novels a while back, but can’t seem to find them now. Though, I must say, the Harris volumes are looking suspiciously fatter now. ;) I’ve not had the pleasure of reading any Simon Clark novels yet. Can you recommend a good one to start?

    I’ll also cop to being a GREY’S fan (although not so much this season), but will say in my defense that with GREY’S, I get exactly what I was promised: A soapy medical drama.

    Yep. But at least it’s what you expected. I prefer the more real-to-life medical / rescue dramas. E.R., back in its heyday, was great. Third Watch, and Rescue Me, until it got too…weird.

    I think a lot of my attitude toward SUPERNATURAL comes from the fact that the creator went out of his way when pumping the show before it debuted to say that this was going to be the scariest thing on television, that every week we’d jump out of our seats, and it simply did not deliver on that promise. Not even close. (Although I will seek out those eps you mentioned and give them a look.)

    Yes, he did do that. In my opinion, it did live up to…several of my own expectations. But, let’s face it: Boogeyman. Did we really think we were going to get George Romero, Sam Raimi, or for that matter, Tobe Hooper or John Carpenter? So yeah, Kripke might not be a master in the genre, even though he does try to compare Supernatural to mainstream horror films, but I think he has created a show that has much higher caliber than most other so-called horror TV shows. Maybe not on the same level as The X-Files, but close to it, I personally believe. There are more, but the episodes I pointed out have some good quality acting from the likes of Amber Bensen, Linda Blair, and my personal favorite villain actor on the show, Sterling K, Brown. And they’re some of the scarier episodes the series has to offer rather than the emotionally driven ones.

    I’d also point out that cult favorites remain exactly that because they can’t quite connect with the majority of people out there… and I guess I’m one of those people. Which is weird, because I’m usually all about cult favorite shows. By the way, I like your style… you had me at the “do you mistake water for whiskey” crack.

    Yep, I know. But then, horror in and that of itself has really always been a cult thing. We horror fiends are looked upon strangely indeed. Sitting in the movie theatre a few weeks ago watching 30 Days of Night, while watching a guy get his neck chewed into before it hung there at an awkward angle, the lady sitting next to me nearly bolted from her seat in revulsion while my face lit up and I went, “Cool!” Yup, I’m a freak. Of course, 30 Days is probably considered more mainstream than cult, but just the fact that I had a better grasp of the vampire culture and understood certain things, unlike the kid behind me who kept asking his buddy, “Dude, what the hell language is that?!” sorta puts into that realm, lol.

    As fans of the show, we can only hope that it connects with a larger audience, some day. Many of us swear it would be a far better series had it been placed on (and thereby given a freer rein on) one of the cable networks as opposed to the dinky, dweeby WB, now The CW.

    Tongue was firmly planted in cheek with those comments. ;)

  • Jamie

    Btw, I apologize for the grammatical and spelling errors in my reply. I’m usually much better. Editing is sort of tough in a small comment box. No offense to the webmaster. ;)

  • Lyssa

    While I shutter to think that I might be lumped in with what some call fangirls (especially considering I am alot older than what I think is their average ages), I do want to give my own meager opinion on Supernatural. I along with my family, have watched Supernatural from the beginning and while I haven’t loved every episode, it kept me interested mostly because of the relationship between the brothers. What kept me watching though was when the brothers had to deal with their father’s death and how each one handled it because at the same time that was on television my brother and I were dealing with the death of our dad from ALS. The thing that comforted us, in a way, was that how the brothers handled the death was mirroring the way we handled it (obviously though w/o the “supernatural/paranormal” elements), so we didn’t quite feel so abnormal. The other thing that kept us watching was that at a time when my dad was in the hospital, we needed something that didn’t deal with real life and frankly stories about urban legends and fighting demons gave us (especially my mom during this time) a break from reality. We watched just to not think about the tragedy surrounding us. We also watched Lost, which also provided that element of fantasy we needed in our lives. They were the only two shows we watched during that time. We all have our opinions, we all have reasons why we do or do not watch certain shows. For me, I just learned to watch a show just to enjoy it and help me, in a sense, feel normal and offer me escapism. Is it wrong for me to feel that way? I hope not because I understand why some people may hate a show and other may love a show, whether I agree or disagree.
    I have to admit I was a huge fan of the X-Files and of Buffy. I thought those shows were always overlooked by awards shows and such, they were well-written and acted but I didn’t love every episode of those shows either. I do miss those shows but if/when Supernatural goes off the air, I’ll miss it too because its a creepy (no not scary) background for a show really about two brothers and their relationship. Its when the shows veers away from that setup, it can get cloying.

  • laura

    HAHA. You saying Jensen’s not a good actor is probably the funniest thing I’ve heard all day. And that’s saying something.

  • nctodc

    I’ve never seen the show, nor do I have any interest in doing so.

    But this is funny to watch.

  • Chele

    I’m sure you knew when you wrote this you’d get a lot of “fangirl” hate. Well, I’m not here to hate, only to say…yeah, all shows have haters and lovers.

    Fortunately for me, Supernatural fills an under represented genre in television and I love it just for that.

    Sci-fi/fantasy/horror is more expensive and harder to make that reality TV/sitcom drama.

    I’ve always loved Whedon for Buffy/Angel and Firefly and I’ll always love Kripke for the excellent job he did with a network horror show.

  • Sammi

    First, I just have to say that I completely disagree with your review of Supernatural.. There has never been a show that I have loved more or been more obsessed with ever… Also the comments on Jared and Jensen’s acting.. are you serious? they are both amazing! They can pull off comedy, emotional scenes and pretty much anything else that they have to do better than pretty much everyone on tv.. There are a ton of actors on big rating shows that aren’t half as good as them… So while I will never understand how you can watch Supernatural and think that it is bad in anyway, you’re allowed to have your own opinion… I also just want to let people know that most Supernatural fans are not crazy! I know there are some that are completely insane and they annoy me too because they make all Supernatural fans look bad, but the majority of us are normal trust me…

  • Lychee

    Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion. So the only thing that I really disagree with you on is your comment on Jensen Ackles acting.

    I know its not as scary as it could be, sometimes it can be predictable… LOL but using this as a grounds to hate a show is rather severe.

    Oh and I hate fangirls too… no matter what fandom… it’s like ‘get a life’, but trust me, Supernatural is not the worst of it.

  • Lychee

    Oh and if you want to see one (of many) of Jensens finer acting moments, What is and what never should be and All hell breaks loose two is what you should be watching.

  • jubjub

    Felloe fangirls, if you’re going to disagree with CT, would you please do so in a proper manner?
    I love the show, and I’d like not to be associated with idiots.
    Thank you.

    CT, I think you got disappointed for not getting your Romero styled show. I get that. Truth is, the show is more about family drama; the horror (or attempted horror) setting is just the background noise.

    Maybe if you could try to watch it some more, but now with another perspective in mind, you might like it better? Also, there are some episodes that are actually a bit scarier than their usual, and the series is actually getting a bit gorier this third season.

    Hope you consider giving it another shot.
    jubjub.

  • Melissa

    Aw CT you responded to me.. and contradicted yourself in one post!

    You tell me the purpose of this place, to comment about what we all watch then tell me to move on if I dont like whats being said… All I was doing was commenting a show I watch! But thanks for being so condesending in your post!

    To address fangirls…the fandom does a lot of good things to, people are quick to put the fans down, of any fandom. Yes there are one or two exterme examples of crazy fans, but most fans arent that bad. Supernatural has a large group of fans from around the world working on all kinds of projects to help society, having Supernatural in commen has given them a thread to connect them.

    Everyone is pretty quick to jump on the fans, but the haters are just as bad.

    And why is it when someone is questioned or controdicted they raise the flag of…its my right to express my opinion! Please find another way to validate yourself.

  • Dee

    I respect any and all opinions, but I could tell reading your review that you have no idea what kind of show Supernatural is. Before you actually “hate” something, it might help to actually watch it. A lot of the stuff you said- like about Jess, doesn’t make much sense at all.

    –Dee

  • Kristyne

    ok i understand every1 has a right 2 their opinion and thats fine, not every1 has 2 like Supernatural but it was a real low blow making fun of Jensen’s acting. R u serious? If u really took the time 2 watch this show maybe u would see what us “Crazy Fangirls” see, and thats a well written, great storyline and plot, and 2 actors that are amazing and have such talent and bring something to Sam and Dean each week.

  • Mel

    Taking a line from my favorite show “Dude you’re buckets of crazy”.

    Oh and I am NOT a fangirl. I’m too old for that crap!! That’s all I have to say cause you aren’t worth the arguing!!

  • JW (not John Winchester)

    I loved reading this article and the comments because I enjoy a good debate. I disagree with most of the article. Jensen’s acting has been pretty great from the start, and Jared has greatly improved as an actor (IMO, none of his acting has been bad). I really enjoy the dialogue, for the most part. There have been some hilarious exchanges between the brothers. I agree with the general consensus that the show is not extremely scary, though there have been some really creepy/chilling parts (granted anything involving weird children, demonic possession, shapeshifters, and psychopaths freak me out). I watch because of the relationship between Sam and Dean more than being scared. As far as plot holes, like Silvia said earlier, the special kids plot sort of died with the YED, though I think Sam’s tie with the YED will come up again. The Mary/YED exchange has yet to be explained, but I’m hoping it will. CT, I agree with you about Bela. I’m not too fond of the character, but I’m trying to be open-minded. Ruby’s character is a little more interesting; I’m wondering how she’s going to affect Sam and what Dean’s going to think about her. Anyway, I enjoy the show and wish everyone would, but I know that’s not going to happen. I think the show has a lot to offer, but if it doesn’t appeal to you, it doesn’t appeal to you. CT, I appreciate that you occasionally tune in; IDK, maybe you’ll change your mind about the show. I have to say that though I understand your ‘I don’t watch television to see people learn how to act’ comment, I think neither Jensen nor Jared didn’t know how to act when they started the show. They acted fine, but they have gotten even better as the show progressed. This, IMO, is why fans of any show remain fans and why I respect Jared and Jensen as actors. I think it’s great when anyone desires to improve their craft. I’m sure you’d agree that watching the actors on ‘Knots Landing’ get better made you love the show even more, right? BTW, I have never actually seen the show; I’m guessing you think the acting kept getting better.

  • J

    I love “Supernatural” and no I am not a crazy fangirl,yes there maybe many obsessed fans but not as worse as some posters make them sound,grow up.
    If you don’t like the show you DON’T need to be rude about it. Also you don’t need to be making comments about how the actors act,every actor acts different,if they didn’t they’d all be the same and that would be no fun. I enjoy the show and will keep watching, because I enjoy the writing,acting and many other aspects of the show.

  • JustMe!

    Except for the comment about the acting, I pretty much agree with all of your criticisms of the Supernatural. However I still love it to death. Nope I don’t really get it either. *shrugs*

  • Lola

    I’ve got to say that I actually agree with you on pretty much everything except for Jensen Ackles acting. He’s honestly the only reason I’m watching and it’s not solely based on his looks. lol. Yeah, he’s unbearably handsome but looks alone don’t do it for me so I’d have watched a couple and tuned out if he didn’t have the acting chops to keep me interested in the story. Which he does, for me. So far anyway. I’m finding harder to keep tuning in each week, though, with the way things are going.

    As for everything else, I agree. The storytelling on this show is not great. It’s mediocre at best and yet I’ve watched from day one and am still watching every episode as they air (originally. I haven’t been watching them as they rerun since mid-season two, save for a couple of pretty solid episodes). The reason for that is that I keep hanging on in the hopes that someday this show will meet the potential I originally saw in it. I thought maybe this season would be that season after the way the season 2 finale set things up. Oh, there were still the same predictable paths I felt they’d go, much to my dismay, but I thought they’d set things up enough to make up for that in other areas. Alas, it was not to be. As you stated, they added the most painfully cliched character that I’ve seen in a while. Bela. She’s so unoriginal and paint by number I can’t stand it. Ruby, in her characterization, is not much better and is topped off with terrible acting. The fact that she’s a demon makes no difference to me since the character herself is so lazily written and spouting off cheesy dialogue. Now, I know they do cheesy dialogue all of the time but the stuff that comes out of Ruby’s mouth is aged cheese. “I’m the girl that just saved your ass”? Come on. Did I really hear that on this show?

    Honestly, I think this show has always been so much cooler in my head than it usually is onscreen. The writing has never wow’d me. The show has never scared me. I’ve always felt the urban legends and supernatural stories often come off rushed or just generally unfulfilling. They go overboard on the angst and are anvil heavy on recurring themes. The mytharc is pretty uninspired and often feels like they’re spinning they’re wheels trying to make it stretch over the entire season.

    I keep hanging on, hoping for the best, but I really think that Bela and Ruby are the last straw for me. I kept watching this show, depsite my problems with the writing, because they *didn’t* have such cliched female characters. I figured that I could just enjoy the character of Dean and ride through the rest. lol. It’s just getting too hard to overlook other areas when the Dean I’m seeing is less and less the Dean I was drawn to. I enjoyed the brotherly interactions but now they’re splitting them up too much and giving guest stars more time on screen. I understand that the boys work hard but the show in it’s current formula is just not cutting it for me. I find myself not really caring if I catch the show on time.

    Jensen/Dean, I still love ya. But the writers are just not doing your character justice. So, I don’t know how much longer I’ll be watching. It’ll be dependent on just how much Bela and Ruby affect the rest of the episodes this season (however many that may be, due to the writers strike).

    Anyway, here’s someone that’s been faithfully watching the show since day one that won’t jump all over your ass for your opinion. I have always felt that this show had its faults but there used to be enough charm to it that I still enjoyed it. Not so much this season, though.

  • http://www.imbrium.net Corvus

    I’m having trouble with this season as well. Though it does seem a missed opportunity to fault Ackles and Padalecki for not being good actors when we have Cassidy and Cohen as subjects. They’re just awful.

    I, too, had expectations, but found enough in the show (particularly the performances) to keep me watching. There were flashes of brilliance, even. Not in the scary, to be sure, but the rest. And this season does seem to have substituted gross for scary. And pretty, vapid girls for dynamic, engaging women.

    The difference between Supernatural and most other shows, for me, is that I find I’m /disappointed/ when it fails to live up to its potential. So there must have been some potential there all along. (I’m not swayed by cute guys. Ancient male viewer, here). There have been real attempts to reach beyond the commonplace and involve more than just the pretty and trivial.

    I’d rather watch an ambitious failure than successful pablum any old day. (I shall refrain from naming names lest we stir up the John from Cincinnati/Grey’s Anatomy fans as well.)

  • christine J.

    Everybodys entitled to an opinion and I appreciate it when someone feels the need to express said opinion at least gives a reason or two. Supernatural is’nt for everybody. I’m a 34 year old mom of five and a Buffy/Angel fan myself. I personally disagree completely but thats my humble opinion. To me its more about family than scares of the week. The arc is about family more than anything. Everything else is just a bonus.
    For the record Sam asked azezal in Devils Trap why? and he replyed becuase she got in the way of his plans. Plus when has evil ever followed a specific set of rules. They pretty much do what they want when they want.
    As for Jareds acting.hes come along way since Gilmore Girls. My opinion on Jensen’s acting, well if you can’t recgonize pure,raw talent when you see it, either A: Your Blind,B: You dont have a clue or C: your harboring some jealousy issues? But again thats just my humble opinion.

  • Enouva

    Dude, THANK YOU!!!
    I don’t know if you were paid to write this so called opinion or cracked after 3 years and just had to get it out of your system, but you gave the fanbase the schock it needed. Do you have any idea how many fans will watch the next episode just to show how devoted they are? These last few weeks have been new-episode-free (English is not my language, so there might be a lot of mistakes) and my obsession with it *gasp* dimmed a little bit. Then here, I see your “statement” and it’s like a bucket of cald water.
    But as one of the slightly crazy ones about the show, I don’t agree with you on most of the aspects.
    1)”unadulterated hate” – harsh, man, and dramatic much?
    2) “This being television, I suspected the promised chills would most likely be, at most, shivers.” Under what kind of rock have you been living? There is nothing, absolutely NOTHING, on television that could scare you. It’s entertaiment – the lamest imitation of reality, with only two purposes: to please the crowd and make a buck. Want scary – watch news.
    3)*snort* So Supernatural is somewhere between Buffy (with the highest level of witty scripts) and Charmed (for special effects). Thats is what I would call a kick in the jewels. First of all, I can remember at least two times when the jokes in Supernatural were lame, and both are in the 3rd Season. So, yeah, it ain’t perfect. BUT if it were perfect, we wouldn’t be able to discuss all it’s flaws in forums, chats and so on. I DON’T WANT PERFECT! I like it with all it’s failings, because I have this thing inside me, called HOPE, that in time it will be a little bit better: there will be more episodes, which I would want to watch more than one time, not just because I have to, as a fan, but because of the well written script and in-coming actors. AND, second, they (the Kripke gang) do have some episodes with great special effects, like 2.22 (when the railroads flared in the shape of a pentacle) or 3.06 Red Sky At Morning (with water ghosts), quite original. Your standard seems to be set more for movies than for a TV show on a cable, which isn’t even promoted properly.
    4) The dig abot the acting could have been written better. Man, you couldn’t be an actor (even if you were joking) and now you are a “journalist”, maybe you should look for another job, again? There, I insulted you, as you insulted them and we both feel a little bit better now, no?:) And by the way, Jensen and Jered were presented with congratulatory letters and Special Forces coins. Because ” watching the demon-killing Winchester brothers helps soldiers forget the stress of war and reminds them of family and home.” That is way more better thatn some Emmys or Oscars!
    5) Mary dies (wrong time, wrong place)->John becomes a hunter->Sam wants an apple pie life with Jess-> Asta la Vista to Jess (we want evil!Sammy)->2season – getting back in the world of darkness wtihout Papa Winchester, but with major guilt trips->Final fight between physic kids->Sammy is the last standing (we want a leader)->3rd season – the WAR (who will win?) and the 1-year-left-to-live for Dean is only a bonus to the plot. Do you want a chart with that? Yeah, there are some unasked questions, but all of the above is just a roadmap, and it’s the travellers that matter: the relationship between two brothers, now even without any superpowers, that battle forces of evil with rocksalt and holy water. They are not some half-mystic creatures,that develop some new unoriginal powers along the way, sent by the PTB as protectors of human kind. NO, they are average people, who decided not to sit around and do something, to make the world a safer place.
    6) Yeah, the chicks are unnecessary, both of them. And the casting could have been better. I like Ellen, Booby, even Sarah was nice (even if she was a love interest for Sam), because you could feel that they were part of the supernatural world. But these two are like a splinter in a butt: you could almost ignore it because of it’s size, but one wrong move and you feel it in all it’s annoying glory.

    And I would find some protection spells if I were you, because so much negative energy sent your way, may actually kill you.:) That’s not a threat. Just a friendly advice. If you don’t believe me, just watch 1.17 Hell House. The power of thought can be enormous.

  • Lissie

    I understand disliking a show. I dont like House and other shows but i think you dont really understand what the show is about. You dont even get what happened to their mother of why Jessica died. If you had really even tried to see it you would have seen the connection in there like the rest of us have.

    I do hate the crazy fans, i for one am one of the sane ones that just adores the show and the mythology behind.

    I can understand you not liking it if you honestly gave it a chance in the first place but it seems to me that you didn’t even give it one.

    I totally dissagree with you but i respect your choice not to like what everyone else does beacuse everyone has the right to like what they want.

    Just please try not to be so mean about stuff you dont understand and insult great actors, a show creator, and writters that work their asses of to get this show to us every week.

    Thanks for reading. :D

    *Sorry if there were any mispelled words, i’m only human :D

  • Patty

    I know I already commented this but when I saw that there were 90 (yes 90!!!) posts to this article, it made me realize something.

    Supernatural is the kind of show that you either love, hate, or are indifferent to. Obviously there the craz–er–”obsessed” fans, the articulate fans, the haters (I know, I know, you don’t “hate” it, you were being ironic, but you are close enough), and those who just want to laugh at everyone else.

    Either way, this show spurs discussion and strong feelings. Obviously this show is a major cult hit and, hopefully for us fans, it stays on the air. And even for the haters it gives yous omething to rant about and complain about. This is one of the most commented entries on this blog I have ever seen and it makes me happy to see that so many people know about Supernatural :)

    btw, I consider myself a fan, but not a crazy one (yeah, I’m a little obsessed, I’m not gonna’ lie). I still think that your blog was fun to read and your responses to the comments even better.

  • Siara

    This show generally has a pretty extreme following….either you love it or you hate it. I understand most of the points that you’re making (the show lacks genuine scares for me) but disagree on other points (I give Jared and Jensen 100% props for their work). It comes down to differences in opinion, and we all just have to respect that.

    I just hope you don’t get mauled by the crazies of our fandom. :D

  • Mel

    “Oh, and everyone, I was hoping that the whole “I hate this show” thing would be recognized for the reverse hyperbole that it was intended to be. So many megafans of the show rave that I hoped some might understand that the “hatred” I was expressing was exaggerated.”

    CT you’re such a fox.. I’ll tell you what, I stand by what I said in my first post — your critique the show like a fan. And I dunno — I generally don’t get disappointed by a show I don’t like — I get disappointed by shows I like. Admit it, CT!! You actually LIKE Supernatural!!! As Bobby says “Don’t con a can man!”

  • ILoveSN

    I understand disliking a show. I don’t like House and other shows but i think you don’t really understand what the show is about. You don’t even get what happened to their mother of why Jessica died. If you had really even tried to see it you would have seen the connection in there like the rest of us have.

    I do hate the crazy fans; i for one am one of the sane ones that just adores the show and the mythology behind.

    I can understand you not liking it if you honestly gave it a chance in the first place but it seems to me that you didn’t even give it one.

    I totally disagree with you but i respect your choice not to like what everyone else does because everyone has the right to like what they want.

    Just please try not to be so mean about stuff you don’t understand and insult great actors, a show creator, and writers that work their asses of to get this show to us every week.

    I for one, think that Bela is a great addition to season 3.

    Thanks for reading. :D

    *Sorry if there were any misspelled words, I’m only human :D

  • Shan

    Hee! Oh CT Knots Landing?! That’s almost as funny as the crazy fangirls’ replies!

    Ok, well, I may have watched that one a little bit back in the day too – and X-Files – and Twin Peaks – and Beachcombers… So many skeletons in the closet.

    As for Supernatural – completely put the first few episodes out of your head – tabula rasa – now start watching from the beginning of the second season in order knowing that you’re signing on for a show about two brothers who occasionally have angst (ok there’s actually a fair bit of angst in season 2) but they also kick-ass and have an impressive arsenal of cool weapons at their disposal. For season 3 just skip the first one, there’s not much great about it except a few funny bits and then fast forward through the Bela and Ruby bits. The one with the saw – “kids are alright” was really good (humour and creepy) and the last one with the vampires… I don’t remember what it’s called was really good (again you can just ffwd through Bela’s part) with some good creepy parts and some good suspense.

    Then again, if you don’t want to – don’t. I like the show (but loath Bela and Ruby – Bela should have appeared in one episode only and Ruby just should have been better cast). I actually think that Jensen Ackles is a great tv actor and Jared Padalecki had some good parts and yeah, some less good parts in the beginning but really has gotten to be quite good.

    Seriously though – Knots Landing??

    Ok, so I may have also watched Star Trek TNG back in the day as well…

  • donilou2

    Well CT, we all have our own opinions on what we like, so you go pet Buffy, I’ll go pet Dean/Jensen, and we’ll agree to hate each others favourite show equally.
    Sound fair?

  • 2-3

    just a lil comment:
    I bet all of u guyz that hate SN they hate it cuz ur girlfriends are obsessed with the Hot guys & the Awsome show.And u are clearly jelous they spend ALL of their time bein an obsessed Supernatural fan.So just admit it.
    And yes,I guess u have ur opinion and we have ours.but if IM right,just admit it!
    (which I bet u guys rnt cuz u have alot of pride)

  • Faith

    I respect your opinion and appreciate that you provide basis behind most of your comments. The only one that stood out was the complaint regarding the arc. I just don’t understand why you put those comments in with apparent full knowledge that you didn’t have enough information to talk about it to begin with. After all, in order to comment on the integrity of a story arc, it’s kind of imperative to actually follow the arc… ;)

    That said, your bafflement over the appreciation for Supernatural parallel’s my shock to the constant use of Buffy as a benchmark of great television in the genre. Certainly, Buffy had its moments, but I never found the scripts, storyline, or delivery on screen to be anything to worship. So likewise, when comments like yours puts Buffy on such a pedestal, it leaves me saying “seriously?!”

  • Just a fan

    I love Supernatural. I admit, season one was my favorite. Devils Trap being my favorite episode, you should watch that. Jensen did some fine work in that. I’m not one to watch reruns but I will watch that one over and over. I only watch two shows on t.v. and that’s Smallville and Supernatural.

    I think if any show deserves your input, It’s Lanaville. (Smallville) But you wouldn’t know it, the way they focus on her all the time. Eh, don’t get me started.

  • GG

    This is payback for daniel bashing dexter! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

  • Faithintheboys

    I couldn’t disagree with you more. I understand that everyone has a right to an opinion but don’t state things that aren’t true. Jensen Ackles is a great a actor and Jared Padalecki is great too. Just because the show doesn’t appeal to your tastes doesn’t mean it’s bad at all. And you compare it to Buffy? Buffy had a story arc too, a couple of them, and they introduced Dawn, a new character, in the fifth season. Don’t criticize a TV show until you know all the facts. I am a fangirl and proud of it. I’m sorry you feel this way.

  • Sofy

    I’d like to comment on your thoughts about the show not living up to its full potential by telling my story. Back in the day, the pilot episode had me pretty excited but the second episode felt somehow weak. After that, Supernatural had to share its tv hour here with Desperate Housewives’ season 2 (an earlier favorite show of mine), and I tried to watch them both from two tv sets at the same time as I had no working vcr.

    However, after DH finished, Supernatural got my full attention again and as they aired seasons one and two back-to-back here, around 2×02 I realized that I’ve been missing a lot when I hadn’t been paying full attention to the show.

    In one year, the show had really evolved from a horror show that kept promising us scares but didn’t quite deliver to something very layered that wasn’t afraid to step outside the horror genre definition to explore the characters and their journey. I find it only positive as seeing a simple horror film copy each week (no matter how scary) would have risked making the show and the characters one-dimensional pretty quick.

    Sure, the story-telling has some minor holes occasionally, but what show doesn’t have those? The acting is solid, the cinematography is very beautiful, and when the story really nails it, we get truly stellar episodes like Nightshifter and What Is And What Should Never Be.

    So, I can understand your point of view about the show’s potential as I once shared it, but letting go of those initial expectations allowed me to find a wonderful, layered show which offers even more if you pay attention to it. And I think that’s the point where people go gaga over something that, to some, might appear to be only average on the surface.

  • Charl

    Hmmm you are fully entitled to your opinion. In fact it’s interesting to see someone so against a show that I’ve seen little real criticism of.

    I for one am completely invested in Supernatural, it brings the funny, the drama, the horror and the familial relationship every week without selling out and producing your typical CW teen drama crap with the emo sound and the cheesy soap opera style stories.

    Supernatural to me is refreshing and different and far classier than the CW itself.

    While I think your opinion is exactly that your opinion and something you are completely entitled to, I couldn’t disagree with you more.

    Jared Padalecki has carried season three and Ackles more than holds his own every season, they are a joy to watch to this viewer.

    As someone who despised Buffy, dislikes Heroes, got bored of Lost and switched off after one measly bad episode of Veronica Mars, Supernatural is a rare pleasure that keeps me entertained week after week.

    I feel bad for you that you don’t ‘get’ what everybody else loves about the show, but that says something more about you than the masses perhaps. Maybe you just aren’t watching it for the same reasons we are, maybe fighting the forces of darkness and surviving with only one other person with you isn’t something you enjoy;

    But I’m flipping glad so many people do.

    Thanks for the debate. It’s always good to defend your favourite show!

  • evie

    I’m a SPN fan and I’ve made even more critical comments than you have therefore I respect your reasons for not enjoying the show.

    It’s definitely not a fright fest BUT some of us aren’t watching the show for that reason. To be honest, I became a fan late in the game because I thought it was a horror show. I truly hate horror movies thus I avoided watching it.

    I got hooked b/c as was mentioned, it’s a show about two brothers from a dysfunctional family taking a road trip and dealing with their issues. Someone who wants real horror and chills will only get it infrequently. But for someone like me who hates horror, Bloody Mary, Asylum, The Kids are Alright and Fresh Blood are enough gore and horror, thankyouverymuch.

    I definitely agree that sometimes Kripke writes as if he’s making it up while he’s going along. Some episodes have been badly written and the only thing that save them is the chemistry between the two stars.

    Speaking of, the one area I disagree with you is about the acting of Jensen and Jared. Jensen is one of the better tv actors today and if he were on a major network, his acting would be praised all around. Jared is a decent actor. He and Jensen sell the brotherly connection and because this show is about two brothers, I feel they are doing their job.

    You are absolutely correct about the cliched Bela. I’m surprised you didn’t mention the downright horrible acting by Katie Cassidy.

    This season’s SPN has been a turn off primarily because of the new additions, the lack of classic rock and the change in lighting which makes it appear as if we are watching Charmed. Way too bright and sunny for a show with thrills. I do assume that those changes were dictacted by the suits of CW thus the blame doesn’t completely belong to the writers and producers of the show. Although they are at fault for the bad writing of Bela and their going away from the core of the show (Sam and Dean). I’m truly disappointed at the demon war so far and think that the writers have lost their way. Since I’m a fan I’ll stick around and enjoy what I do enjoy-Ackles/Padaleki acting and the brotherly bonds. All I hope for is that the writers get their acts together once they return from the strike.

    I do agree with some of the comments that even a bad episode of SPN is better than a lot of the dreck on tv.

  • Wishful Thinker

    Z
    Some people say the true test of a TV/film actor is if they could carry off a stage performance just as well. Could Jensen? ..
    Z to answer your question, Jensen did do stage last summer. He starred in the play “A Few Good Men” with Lou Diamond Phillips and received very positive reviews. So, yes, Jensen can do stage.

  • ct

    Crap. Okay, apparently all that negative energy some of y’all sent me really did work, cause I had a huge comment here, basically responding to some of you, and my computer just ate it. Let’s see how much of it I can reconstruct before I run out of time…

    JW: You’re very, very right about actors evolving… in both directions… and KNOTS being a great example of that. Over the 14 years it ran, some got much, much better while otehrs got lazy and, by extension, worse…

    Shan: Don’t even try to out-skelton me. Mine go way back and deep, things like HIGHCLIFF MANOR and MUSCLE.

    Jamie: Run, don’t walk, to amazon and get a copy of THE TRAVELING VAMPIRE SHOW. I guarantee you’ll love it. One of my all-time favorites… and I’m not even limiting that to within the genre. As for Simon Clark, I’d recommend IN THIS SKIN. But don’t read the back… as with most books, it gives way too much away. And be warned: You will get sick to death of reading repeatedly about what the damn crows mean. Seriously. And if you want to continue this talk about the genre outside of these comments, feel free to get in touch with me. E-mail daniel and he’ll give you my e-mail address.

    GG: You make that reference to my having written this as retribution for daniel’s having based DEXTER as if that’s a bad thing! :)

    Lyssa: Thank you so, so much for sharing your touching and very personal story about what this show means to you and your family. It really does prove the power of television. So many people have similar stories about how a particular show helped get them through a tragic time, and it relaly helps put things in a completely different perspective.

    To everyone who defended this show… sometimes to the death, appropriately enough: I know what it’s like to love a show someone else is bashing. You want ot sit them down and say, “Okay, maybe if you saw THIS episode, it would change your mind!” And with that thought in my head, I will be seeking out some of the episodes that have been recommended to me here. I’ll get back to y’all later on that in a separate post.

    Krystyne: I’m sorry, but in all honesty, I have difficulty taking anyone seriously when they try and make a point in “textspeak.” If you feel strongly enough about something, you’ll actually type out the words. I know, I know, how very old-fashioned of me, but it’s just how I feel. By now, y’all should have learned that I tend not to hold back…

    Enouva: I’ll never really get that whole mentality of “I wouldn’t want my show to be perfect because then what would we talk about on the message boards.” I know it’s not exclusive to this show… soap fans are often the same way. In fact, almost any show that has an ethusiastic-to-rabid following has people who say the same thing. I’ll never get not wanting your show to be as good as it can be. Surely if the show was perfect you could find other things to talk about. For example… Jensen’s hair… totally hot or too cool for school? Discuss amongst yourselves.

    Faith: Come on, now. You’re going to tell me that Buffy episodes like HUSH or even ONCE MORE WITH FEELING weren’t amazing scripts that were brought to the screen in a way that elevated the genre?

    Justafan: I’m currently in the middle of watching season 5 of Smallville… the thing that annoys me — and they used to do this on the X-files, too — is how often people are conveniently knocked out so as to avoid seeing Clark do his thing. Scully took a million blows to the head in order to prevent her from seeing Mulder’s various aliens, too. That’s just lazy storytelling in my book.

  • chickk

    Dude you’re totaly entitled to your opinion but hy expend so much energy on a show you hate? Not that I disagree that the show is failing to live up to its potential in a number of major ways, but still…

    It’s not like you’re being all iconoclastic taking on some major pup culture phenomenon like Heroes, Grey’s Anatomy or even Lost. But if it makes you feel all big and important to go after a tiny show on a barely-there network, then you go dude.

    Also you’re dead wrong about Ackles’s acting. He’s pretty much the only reason I’m hanging in there this season.

  • Girk

    Supernatural may not have the witty one-liners Buffy had, but Supernatural isn’t trying to be Buffy. It’s something I think a lot of people miss (and I missed that too, in the beginning). Once you factor that in, you can see Kripke has his own style. He’s not trying to be Joss Whedon, he’s doing his own thing.

    I began watching the show because I wanted a new Buffy – and I was disappointed at first, but I continued watching it because I had nothing better to do. Along the way the show struck a different chord with me than Buffy did. It’s so easy to take the surface of Supernatural and dismiss it as brainless genre stock, but that’s doing it a great disservice.

    I think Supernatural is an extremely understated show. The emotion isn’t written in a thought bubble above their heads, it’s not always even spelled out on their faces. You can tell a character is lying without the exaggerated stuttering and dodgy eyes because the actors know their characters so well, you know them too. Supernatural isn’t about girl power, it isn’t about growing up in the world. The only vein (besides the obvious baddies) it shares with Buffy is the element of love, but Supernatural focuses on familial love where Buffy was all about friendships.

    I think if you look at it as a show that can ‘take Buffy’s place,’ you’re setting yourself up for disappointment, because they’re really not all that similar. If you started viewing it as its own being, you might find you like it more. Of course, you might not, too. But it worked for me.

  • Kay

    I respect your opinion of what’s wrong with Supernatural, especially regarding the “horror” (or lack of) aspect of the show. If you tuned in to find a really scary show, I’m afraid this is not the show for you. I’ll be honest, it was the reason I tuned in initially and quite frankly, reluctantly, when it first premiered on the WB. I did not have high hopes. There were a lot of other horror/sci-fi genre shows premiering that year, and I thought this was going to be another typical run-of-the-mill lackluster show. And on the WB? Please. I hadn’t heard of either actor prior to this. Sure, they looked nice, but I had absolutely no expectations going in.

    And then a funny thing happened. I watched. I loved. I realized this wasn’t a horror genre television show. It was an emotional family drama pretending to be. And you know what? That’s ok. Because maybe that’s what I was looking for all along. But you weren’t. And that’s ok too.

    So, I see your criticism and have some of my own. I don’t like Bela (well, I’m being polite here) and I think she needs to go. I would like the show to go back to it’s roots of urban legends rather than concentrating on this demon war, but others really like the new focus and the mytharc, and I respect that. I do think it’s sufficiently scary, for episodic television. I’m not expecting Hellraiser or anything. I didn’t find Buffy or Angel scary either. Now Knot’s Landing, on the other hand…kidding. I LOVE Knot’s Landing — so I’ll happily agree with you there! :)

    And I’m not a fan”girl”, I guess I’m a fan”woman”, at 41. I do think it’s a bit disrespectful to summarily stereotype a group of fans, in anticipation of criticism. You have every right to your opinion, but by posting your opinion on public blog, you really should expect others to voice theirs as well. I’m sure that came as no surprise.

    As to criticism of the actors. Well, I will be perfectly honest. Part of my initial reluctance to watch Supernatural was because I thought it was going to be just some lame vehicle to showcase a couple of no-talent pretty boys. So, I watched the Pilot, with absolutely NO expectations. And, to be perfectly honest again, I couldn’t have been more wrong. First of all, David Nutter’s direction was simply superb (as always) and Jared Padelecki did a good job as Sam, and he has definitely grown over the seasons. But Jensen…ah, Jensen Ackles. I SO wanted to hate him, I really did. He’s just too good looking to be talented, right? But man, I gotta tell you, he impressed me from the start. And then, over the course of the season, he just got better and better. If you haven’t yet, you really need to watch In My Time of Dying, which is the season 2 premier. Not only is it a great episode, but I can’t imagine anyone dismissing Jensen’s talent. I would suggest Nightshifter, What is and What Should Never Be, and All Hell Breaks Loose as well. I know he’s (annoyingly…sublimely”) good looking, but really, you have to almost look past that. I find it just a joy to watch him as Dean — this cocky, self-assured guy on the surface — who can, in an instant, peel back Dean’s layers so beautifully to reveal this broken, damaged guy just trying to do a little good in this world and keep his family together. As for the low voice…well, that’s Dean. It just is and I wouldn’t want it any other way.

    So, I’m sorry you’re so disappointed in the show. At times, I am too. But generally, I just love it to death. And it’s still the best thing on television, to me.

  • ct

    chickk: Big and important? Hmmm… I’m not sure how writing an opinion piece about a show in its third season on an also-ran network is supposed to make me feel big or important. I wasn’t aware that when writing opinion pieces on the medium of television, it was only acceptable to write about big hits like HEROES or GREY’S ANATOMY. My bad!

    Girk: You continued watching because you”had nothing better to do?” I wanna trade lives! Then again, I suppose that’s how I fell into watching Tila Tequila… :)

  • Jonh Paul

    Ok
    First
    i am a men for starters.(Not a fangirl)
    Second everyone can have its own opinion about anything and while i dont think supernatural is perfect or the best show ever ..i still like it a lot.
    And since a lot of poeple alredy said why they like and why they dont like the show (some of those points are the same as mine) ..

    I would just like to say i LOVE this SHOW and i like the new girls characters Ruby and Bela ( yea i know you read it i like them) , though they arent perfect .
    So i am just posting to show my support.

  • Hannah

    I’m a fan of the show, but I’m totally in agreement with this.

    I don’t usually like to admit the lame story line, the poor writing and directing. And I’m glad someone else has attempted to voice this.

    Sadly though I do love Jared and Jensen, and I have been ‘sucked into’ the plot and will join many others each watching it.

    Thankyou for trying to bring some sense into the fangirls of the show

  • DZ

    I love this show, bought the DVD, read the fic, you know the drill. Seriously I’m invested in it way more than is probably healthy, and you know what, I agree with almost every word Mr Tater wrote. Shrugs.
    I guess the enjoyment I derive from Supernatural trascends the occassionally wooden acting, plot hole and hideous secondary characters. I read somewhere that Ackles deliberately deepens his voice for the part and yep, it’s always bugged me. His tough guy persona come off as a wee bit fake, however I think Padalecki is cute as a button so I’ll overlook his shortcomings. The concept of the show pulled me in and the compelling relationship of the brothers in pretty unique in genre TV and for that I can forgive many sins.

  • GG

    Did I say it was a bad thing CT? I love a little payback as much as the next Guy LOLOL BUT LEAVE MY DEAN ALONE!!!! HEE No seriously, Leave him alone or I will rough you up;)

  • Dairwendan

    You never liked Supernatural? Man, you’re lucky. You don’t have to suffer the pain that those of us who loved it are going through this season as we watch it be destroyed.

    You’re right about Bela. And you’re right about an arch being established and then certain details being contradictory. If you think Jessica’s death not fitting the pattern was bad, after that, the demon who killed Mary Winchester claimed it was just because she walked in at the wrong time. Huh?

    But you’re wrong about Jensen Ackles and Jared Padalecki. They’re excellent actors, as are Jeffrey Dean Morgan, Jim Beaver and Samantha Ferris. And it’s because you don’t recognize this that you’ll never ‘get’ Supernatural. Horror isn’t my thing. I’ve dipped my toes in the pond (Halloween, Poltergeist, The Hearse, Friday the 13th) and it’s not my thing. So I wasn’t likely to ever give Supernatural a try. But two friends convinced me to watch the season 1 finale and the season 2 premiere by telling me how wonderfully rich and deep the characters were. And they were right. Sam, Dean and John (in those two episodes) pulled me right into their dark, and dangerous, snarky, angst-ridden world.

    And I was there every Thursday Night, until this season when TPTB decided to brighten it up, add some (badly acted) T and A, and concentrate solely on the demons. All bad decisions. So, at least now, you aren’t missing anything.

  • Caith

    I’m a relatively avid fan of SPN, and I actually agree with some of your points ^^. You got the bit about the Jess BBQ wrong though, but everyone else has beaten me to the punch.

    I agree with the lack of scare factor. Creepy, gory – yeah maybe, on occasion – but scary? Not for me. The horror bits are more often than not predictable. I don’t watch the show for the scary, just for the brotherly love/angst.

    I also totally agree with SPN not living up to its potential. Since S1 I thought (and still think, though with less hope by now) that SPN could be really, really awesome. The characters are appealing (they help me handwave a lot of SPN’s flaws), the car and the music (of S1 and 2) are very distinctive touches, the camera work and set designs are usually well-done, and the universe / world sounds fun to play with. It’s just that, more often than not, the anvils, the dialogue and some of the plot construction is… well… ranges from “Eh, Ok” to “OMG *wince*”. I find it difficult to rewatch some episodes in their entirety because of these. On a related note, it’s both touching and somewhat painful to hear Kripke rave about his show because it CAN be cool, but it’s…. not really living up to his rave, even though I want it to.

    As for JA and JP’s performances, well, to each his own. The acting may not be stellar or Hollywood good (they’ve got their weird / awkward / bad spots, IMHO), but they’re good enough for me. Some find Bela annoying, though personally I’m still ambivalent towards her.

    I enjoy reading opinions of non-fans, whether positive or negative, and I’m glad yours didn’t come off as whaling on the show.

  • katie

    You have some good points, but I do think you’ve missed the theme of the show.

    It’s not a ‘horror’ show–it’s a family relationship show about brothers who happen to battle urban legends. And apparently, now, demons.

    I agree with your assessment of the show as it relates to season three. (Except about the male actors’ acting skills. But I’ll get into that later.) Bela is a horrible cliche, the storyline seems to have turned into a muddled mess, and the scariness of first season has turned into gore and some kind of mixed-up demon hunting thing. It’s not gone past the point of no return though. It can still be fixed.

    I disagree that Ackles and Padalecki can’t act. They can. As Sam and Dean, they have me totally believing that they’re brothers, that they were raised hunting, that they deal with ghosts, creatures and legends all the time–in short, that they’re the WInchester Brothers. I like their believablity. Were there awkward moments in some episodes? Yes, but I think it was bad writing rather than bad acting. Those boys can act their socks off!

    I can’t believe you didn’t like the first season! Yes, the first few episodes had some problems, but after they found their groove, it went well. (Then again, I started in the middle, with ‘Scarecrow’, so I didn’t see the early stuff until after I saw the really good episodes–especially the two-episode season finale.) There was definitely more variety to the monster of the week, and much more suspense and creativity in their demises.

    Second season had some problems, most noticeably the Roadhouse Crew and the introduction of other Hunters, but there was enough genuine creepiness to keep me on the edge of my seat.

    This season isn’t very scary–the episodes are too light, the intensity of “us against the world” is gone due to the creation of the lame Hunter’s Network of season two–and there are too many new characters cluttering up the scenery. The demons aren’t scary, and the pervasiveness of the “those poor supernatural creatures are just like us” attitude is dragging things down. But I do think they can turn around and go back to what was successful.

    This show does have a lot of potential, and it does seem like the third season isn’t living up to that potential. However, with the writer’s strike, there’s a space of time for the producers to go in and fix their mistakes. I hope they do. Because I really enjoy this show, despite their current problems, and I want it to continue to entertain me each week for a few more years.

  • Shaula

    So you hate “Supernatural”. Oh, well…… What can I say? Your taste is bad. :P
    The truth is to hate or not something is an oppinion matter…. However, I don’t think it’s fair to people who love the show you come over there and spread the word, unless you’re trying to bring fights here. And honestly, I think it is exactly you wanted to.
    I actually hate a lot of populars shows, but it’s up to ME. It’s not a public matter. I have the right to hate or love things. But my right finishes where your begins.

    I wasn’t going to comment about it here, but….. you know what? It’s so unfair to the fans, to the actors, to the creator and the show, that I could’t help myself. We, Supernatural fans, already have to fight with a small network who wants to have the same ratings that the big ones. We have the strike to worry about and others things. We don’t need a bad review from whom isn’t a regular watcher.
    Oh… By the way, if you were a regular watcher, you would discover that your unsolved plots are already solved. And you also can use your imagination, your brain… Please, don’t take it as an insult… It wasn’t, really. I’m only quoting Chris Carter, from The X Files to his producers.
    But what I love on Supernatural is that. They explain things, you only have to paying attention. May be you could watch it again? Oh, oh, no… You hate it, I forgot. So, stop watching. But leave the people who love the show keep watching it instead of to do a bad review discouraging people to watch the show, bring us more problems.

    About Jensen and Jared acting…. man, I totally desagree… They’re awesome! I even will talk about it. Everyone who really knows their work will agree with me.

    I’ll finish my comment quoting a journalist Jake TenPas:

    “Honestly, if you don’t like a show about two very three-dimensional brothers who travel around in a ’67 Impala blasting classic rock tunes and battling demons, well, you must hate fun.”

    (http://www.gazettetimes.com/articles/2007/11/30/entertainment/columnists/night_rider/tenpas.txt)

  • GG

    Ok, First of all I love Supernatural. I find it funny,sad,and most of all entertaining. Not defending CT (really I’m not, you are in my bad books buddy :) ) but what he says about Spn in this article is not nearly as harsh as what alot of so-called Diehard fans have said about this show. They rant and rave about how bad an eppie was because it didn’t go their way, I’m not just talking about one messageboard either(starts with a T ends with a P has a W and O in between). Internet fandom of this show has been extremely positive but moreso extremely detrimental to our lil show. One example, My friend loves SPN, she never had a problem with an eppie more than a few times, them she visited that messageboard, soaked in all the criticism from “Diehard fans” and now she agonizes over every stupid detail and can hardly enjoy the show because of it. Point of my post is, Don’t bash someone for hating when so many of its own fans can’t even say a nice word about it when it doesn’t go their way. Enjoy it for what it is or don’t bother watching, cause I can’t stand hipocrites(sp?)

  • Lasha

    I agree with some of what you said, and the other stuff, not so much.

    I agree that Supernatural is an acquired taste. I loved the first two seasons with Dean and Sam fighting evil, driving around the country in the Impala listening to heavy metal music. That is MY kind of show. However, I couldn’t force my sister to watch it. She’d rather watch Moonlight. Myself, I’d rather poke my eyes out then watch that cliched piece of crap. (Forever Knight, anyone?) To each their own.

    But in the third season of Supernatural, creator Eric Kripke has lost his way. The additional of the 2 two characters (Bela and Ruby) has done nothing to improve the show, only to bring the acting and writing level down to rock bottom as The CW Network panders to the 18-25 male demographic audience. And this is where we disagree, Jensen and Jared’s acting third season is the only thing that is keeping the show afloat, because it sure isn’t Katie Cassidy’s acting chops that is drawing in viewers!

    So, to conclude, Eric Kripke needs to go back to his original premise and maybe then you (and some other fans) won’t hate SPN so much.

  • Kerry

    This show certainly does seem to bring out passionate opinions from both sides, doesn’t it? I only wish that translated to higher ratings!

    I started watching Supernatural during the summer between seasons one and two and I think it’s a show that definitely benefits from coming late to the party. It took a while to reach its stride (writing-wise and acting-wise, though I disagree about Jensen completely and have been amazed by how much Jared Padalecki has improved) in the first season and I’m sure it lost viewers who might otherwise still be fans today because of it. Whether you would have been one of them remains to be seen. :)

    I do personally find the show often creepy, sometimes scary, but I am not a horror fan (actually initially avoided the show because of the horror aspect) and so am probably either less of a scare connossieur or less desensitized or both. Personally, I was hooked by the family drama; the urban legends and the mytharc, though generally interesting and enjoyable for me, are more like icing on the cake. Again, not a connossieur, but the special effects have ranged in my opinion from the laughably bad (the obviously plastic spiders in Bugs) to the pretty darn good (though the recent episode Red Sky at Morning was weak overall, it had some fantastic CGI at the end). Asylum, Something Wicked, and the Kids Are Alright are some of the episodes that stick out in my mind as being creepiest (the latter is a bit mixed in other regards, but the episode’s main changeling kid and her mother really hit it out of the park.) The mind control aspect of Simon Said also resulted in some exceptionally creepy moments. I also have to put in a good word for Nightshifter, which is more tense than scary or creepy, but which comes closest of any episode, imho, to reproducing the feel of a good thriller film. It’s well-paced, has an unusually good set of guest stars, and a kickass ending.

    I do think it’s a little pointless to criticize inconsistencies in the mytharc at the same time you admit to not really following it. As others have pointed out, the “inconsistencies” you pointed out actually were not, and although I’d be the last to claim the mytharc is airtight, I have actual considered the degree to which it does seem planned and internally consistent pretty refreshing compared to the confusion and endless questions without resolution on so many other shows, especially in this genre.

    I also have to disagree, sort of, about Buffy. I’m a Buffy fan myself, but I kind of feel like you’re forgetting that the same show that produced Innocence, Graduation Day, Hush, and Once More With Feeling also produced Go Fish, Teacher’s Pet, Bad Eggs, and, really, almost all of Season Four BUT Hush. Buffy at its best is indeed better than Supernatural, but at its worst it could be nearly unwatchable, and there’s only one episode of Supernatural I consider completely without redeeming value (Dead Man’s Blood). It’s a camp issue for me. Whatever Supernatural’s flaws – and I’d be the last to argue that it doesn’t have any – the gritty, small town Americana vibe and the realistic-if-screwed-up relationship between the brothers is far more palatable even at its worst (racist anthropomorphized killer truck, need I say more?) than the excessive campiness of a really bad Buffy episode.

  • Mina

    I just wanted to say that all of the fans of Supernatural are not insane, I promise. There are a few of us who are normal, calm, kind people. You have valid points about the show, i.e. the ‘special’ effects, some of the writing, etc. I find myself rolling my eyes more often than not. Many of the shows on tv right now are like that. It’s the shows with wonderful writing that usually get cancelled in the first season.

    I guess I just wanted to say that I’m sorry you don’t enjoy the show. I’m sorry it doesn’t entertain you like you would like it to. Don’t beat up on poor Jared’s acting skills. He tries so hard.

    (I’m kind of glad someone said something about Jensen Ackles that wasn’t kissing his ass. I don’t understand his appeal.)

  • Kati

    Mwahaha! Trolling much? If you wanted attention, you sure got it *snickers*

  • Jay

    Actually YED did say why he killed Jess. He did it so that Sam would go back to hunting, and sharping his skills to become the leader of the demon army. Either watch the show and get your facts straight, or have a nice cup of STFU.

  • Aleysha

    I don’t watch TV much at all, there are only a few shows I watch and Supernatural is one of them. I think it is the best show around in terms of dealing with supernatural beings. Reason being, is because its not far fetched and you can also relate to some of the characters in this show. Like I can relate to Dean, because he’s a big brother and I’m a big sister and what we have in common, is that its our job to protect our siblings.

    Plus the show doesn’t just force of killing spirits and demons, its got family issues, moments when Sam and Dean let each other know how they’re feeling about stuff and there is some comedy, and from what I’ve seen, the other supernatural based shows out there don’t have any of those qualities.

    So, yeah, that’s all what I have to say.

  • Jules

    I thought your critique began on an interesting note but by the time I reached the end it seemed less a critique and more a sentiment of,

    I hate Supernatural and so should you!

    With a foot stomp for added effect.

  • Lizi

    I was pretty disappointed when I watched the first few eps of season 1. They didn’t just rehash old scary myths, they rehashed bad movies about old scary myths and the only reason I kept watching it was because Jensen Ackles was pretty, the car was prettier and the soundtrack was a win.

    Then things changed and by the end of season 2 SPN was my crack. I was hooked so bad I started dreaming Winchester boys (without the nasty fan connotations of that.) I loved the roadhouse and Ellen and Jo. I loved Bobby and funny skeevy mullet man. It was great.

    Then season 3 began and it all became a big nasty yawn. Sam the monkey boy king is boring, Dean the man with a deathwish is snoring. The buzz is down and hopefully it’ll slip away peacefully.

    The only thing that can save it is by setting season 4 in Hell because the devil she is smoking hatt. :)

    Sorry fengrls.

    Hehe.

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  • Shadow

    Opinion’s vary! I love supernatural and not just because there are a pair of hot guys in it. (Kripke and crew killed off the one I liked best! John.) Anyway. I think this show rocks. I love watching the family dynamics from what has got to be the most dysfucntional family. It’s wonderful!

  • OZZIE CHICO

    I was watching CNN, and they said that Americans were 70% dumb AND 30% SMART…So since I NEVER VOTED FOR BUSH….the 1st or second time and since Iam a fan of very talented people like Pres. Clinton , Mark Messier, Andre Agassi, The Beatles, Shirley Temple, Green Day, U2, AND SUPERNATURAL…..not stupid reality shows like New York, ….I think and feel that Supernatural is one of the very few shows that kicks butt ,and has two talented leading actors. I also like Johnny Depp, Skeet Ulrich, Beyonce, Alicia Keys, Will Smith and Tom Hanks. What can I say I have excellent taste…..and SPN Haters have below C level gusto.

  • Sue

    I love Supernatural…I find it funny, entertaining, scary at times (Sam cutting of Gordons head with razor wire..still stunned they got that aired) and sometimes sad….I enjoy the acting on the shows, I think the boys do a good job….Im also a Joss Wheadon fan…I would watch anything he made and am looking forward to Dollhouse if it ever gets made….all these shows, Angel, Buffy, Supernatural…they all follow a similar formula and its just person taste for what you like and what you “hate” but to put that much emotion into a show, to take the energy it takes to truely hate something shows alot of something on your part…not quite sure what thou lol….you dont like something, turn it off and forget it, I dont see the reason behind putting so much effort into slamming it lol…I know I dont like the new characters in Supernatural as of yet but who knows they might grow on me like Dawn did in Buffy….when she first started on the show I wanted to scream everytime she came on screen, with the constant “get out get out get out” that would come out of her mouth every two seconds lol…and lets face it on every show we love there are some actors that really should have paid more attention in drama class. I must admit thou that I do also enjoy Smallville, which can be one of the most badly written shows around lol….Im also a Reaper, Heroes and Greys Anatomy fan ….and was one of the very few who watched Northern Exposure…and have the DVDs to prove it so my viewing taste is vast and weird lol.
    Anyways, kudos on you for expressing a somewhat extreme emotion to a TV show and enjoy watching According to Jim…which I must admit I do watch the occasion rerun of.

  • Louis

    Okay like alot of people have said you are entitled to your own opinion and i sort of agree that the special effects are similar to charmed but apart from that i disagree with everything you said. Seriously supernatural is awesome, The show and characters will grow on you if every time you watch it you don’t look for the bad points and just try to enjoy the show.

  • Truth

    Not scary?

    I appreciate the horror badge you felt the need to flash but I’ve been watching Horror since I was about 5 and consider it a big part of my life. And Clive Barker wasn’t kidding: SN is top notch horror storytelling.

    I find it AMAZINGLY stupid how someone can criticize SN for not being scary and then praise . . BUFFY. BUFFY?? If we’re going for pure scares even Route 666 destroys Buffy and its musical episodes. Don’t be such a hypocrite. You’ve got an axe to grind with this show for some reason. It’s obvious.

    SN has its problems like every other narrative piece has its problems. Even The Sopranos which puts to shame all the network TV darlings I’m sure you love, had its problems.

    SN kills every network TV show there is. Don’t get me started on Heroes and its 8th grade dialog. And talk about bad acting?? Ha.

  • Truth Part 2

    And another thing . .

    Don’t complain about rabid fans coming to the shows defense when in your first paragraph you proudly announce having pure HATE towards the show. You wanted this reaction and you know it.

    But moving on . . ANOES2 isn’t a sequel? What are you talking about? Halloween 3 had 0 to with the original film, which is why its hard to consider it a straight sequel. Can’t exactly say the same about ANOES2. A statement like that makes me wonder why the CW doesn’t smear your negative review all over Supernatural posters as positive buzz. “The show CT hates . . This Thursday!”

    Maybe SN would finally get the ratings it deserves.

    Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m gonna go double check to see if I locked my doors because I just managed to sit through another FRIGHTENING episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I think in this one none of the characters could talk.

    THE HORROR

  • Kelsey

    OMGZ LIEK HOW CULD U NOT LIEK LOVE SPN?!?!?!??!?!?!??!!? ITZ LIEK TH BEST!!1!!!111! >:-O

    Ha, just kidding. I do love Supernatural, but I definitely see where you’re coming from. Half the time I’m not even sure why I love this show, it’s so completely different from everything I like to watch (not to mention it does have its fair share of problems). Oh well. Whatever they’re doing, it’s keeping me interested.

    Also? CT, I may just love you a little. Love the snark.

  • http://Nope Annie

    You are, of course, entitled to your opinion and you have certainly given it here.

    The thing that I object to the most is your criticsism of the acting and the actors – (and you a Buffy fan – oh the irony!). Now you may peg me as a rabid fan-girl (I wish) but I am not and I know actors and I know acting and some of the acting in SN is as good, if not better, than a lot of crappy films I have been forced to sit through on a wet Saturday night.

    Jared and Jensen are excellent actors – watch the show and see how much Jared in particular has improved. Note that they are now making movies – also note that Sarah Michelle Gellar has just made an animated feature and think again about that acting criticism.

    You are certainly entitled to an opinion – hey – just that it is wrong!!

  • shamangrrl

    Hey there, just wanted to drop a brief comment. Considering the way you worded your article – I’m sorry, your opinion piece – I’m surprised you haven’t been ripped by more of the crazy within the fandom. Because boy, you really did ask for it, didn’t you?

    Regarding your criticism of the show, I understand your disappointment. It was touted as a mini horror movie, every week, and it certainly tried to start out that way. But something interesting happened, and the show evolved into something more. I, for one, am very happy that it did. I
    love the monster of the week episodes, but I’ve also been pretty happy with the mytharc episodes. As with any other show, there’s always an oddball-out episode that I might not like, there’s usually some dialog that just makes me cringe (mostly in Kripke-penned episodes, I’m ashamed to
    admit), but overall, I love this show. I’ve found the third season to be subpar, because to me, it’s losing it’s heart in moving away from the guys and introducing so many new (and annoying) characters. The writing has also taken a big hit, and I’m not sure why. Also, I’ve never felt that the female characters on this show were well written – or well cast. The exception is the character of Ellen. I love Ellen, but it’s because of Samantha Ferris, not because of the writing. She can act, and I love the energy she brings to the show. I wanted to like Jo, because I loved Alona Tal in VM, but dear God, the way that character was written…

    Anywho, as with so many others, I love this show because of the bonds between Sam and Dean. I’ve enjoyed watching both characters grow and evolve. Sam started out as an annoying child, and Dean was a smirking, one-dimensional fratboy. But they definitely didn’t stay that way, and I’ve loved watching their journey. I also can’t agree with you regarding Jared and Jensen’s acting. I really think the characters (and series) went the way it did because of their talent. I’m sure you’re sick of hearing it, but Jared has made quantum leaps in his acting ability, and I’m frankly stunned by Jensen, on a weekly basis.

    You stated that you dislike not “getting” what people go gaga over on this show. At the risk of going out on a limb, I’d have to say it’s the family bonds between the boys. This isn’t a horror show – that’s the backdrop. It’s the relationship between these two characters, played out against
    middle America, road trips, cock-rock, sexy cars and oh yes, big evil. (Now if Kripke and Company would actually get back to that winning formula…)

  • Helena

    As a fan I’d like to address a few of your points.

    Now, I don’t find the ‘scares’ terrifying either. But, as other people have mentioned, Supernatural is pushing the envelope of gore in its time slot. Plus, most people are not as desensitized when it comes to horror as we are – I know a few people who don’t watch the show because it’s too frightening, as opposed to not enough.

    As a show about the supernatural, the writers are somewhat boxed in terms of subject matter – the premise of the show means they cannot cover as many different types of stories in other shows (eg The X Files) that might be more initially frightening than well-trod tales about vampires and werewolves. But I’ve seen a lot of shows about government conspiracies and genetic mutation, and I actually appreciate the return to myth-based storytelling that Supernatural represents. And the fact that each story is based on an established urban legend or folk story adds a bit of interest for me too.
    (As someone who laughs their way through most horror movies, if you want to give Supernatural another go for horror I found episode 302 The Kids Are Alright quite effective in the scary parts. Oh, and 202 Everybody Loves a Clown, while not the best ep, does unexpectedly feature a pretty creepy evil clown, which is always fun. Well, for me anyway. But maybe I’m the only person whose favorite book ever is ‘It’.)

    Lousy special effects you say? I think they do a great job on a budget. It’s far harder to represent a frightening supernatural entity on film in my opinion than a bleeding arm for one. And they do it well – the only part I felt was Charmed-esque in its effects would have been the Devil’s Gate opening in the season 2 finale, and frankly the rest of that two parter made up for it completely. (In the first season the effects people seemed a bit enamored with ‘jerky-disappear-reappear-in-flashes’ style seemingly taken directly from The Grudge, but they’ve got past that, I swear.)

    And as for acting, I guess we’re not watching the same show. I know Jared’s not the best actor, but he’s definitely more than adequate – check out 214 Born Under A Bad Sign to see him moving out of his comfort zone and being pretty damn entertaining. And Jensen, well, I just think he’s fantastic. He really makes the most out of the writing, and a regular viewer really notices how he has made Dean evolve into a truly believable three-dimensional character rather than the caricature he could so easily have been. Plus, these guys have some of the most grueling schedules in television and yet the acting is always consistent if it’s not great.

    I love Buffy. I really do. I get riled up when i hear all the Buffy backlash and people paying it out because it was a truly awesome show. And I know, the average writing on Supernatural really isn’t up there with Buffy at its best. But having said that, they’re largely different beasts, and I appreciate Supernatural for it’s differences. I wouldn’t want Supernatural to be another Buffy.

    For one, for all its hyperwit, I occasionally found Buffy’s banter grating, and so I appreciate all the more Dean’s pop-culture references, Sam’s sulkiness and the episodes where they send themselves up because it’s a stronger contrast against the drama and the horror (heightened because Buffy wasn’t actually trying to be scary). I also like that it is more character-based humour as opposed to Joss Whedon’s writing, that while very funny because it is so inherently witty, can sometimes make his characters seem like a one liner generating machine (to me).

    Joss Whedon’s stories are a lot about making new families with your friends, a theme which I love, but I love Supernatural for being about the bonds between biological family, and honestly I’ve found the relationship between Sam and Dean the most emotionally effective and affecting in network television. On top of that I love the fact that Eric Kripke the creator has a basic plot planned out for the entire series (I’m a big fan of Babylon 5 and really mourn Firefly in that respect). Along the lines of the journey of the hero in Hero With A Thousand Faces no less. (Also, Dean and Sam were named after Dean and Sal from Kerouac’s On The Road if that adds any interest.) And because of that I’m prepared to overlook any minor plotholes. I’m even giving Bela a chance.

    I admit that sometimes the plots are cliched, sometimes the dialogue is stupid and the writers just can’t get the knack of writing women. But I guess it comes down to that – personal taste and what flaws you’re prepared to overlook. Because, for me, Supernatural is a lot more than the dot points I’ve elaborated on above.

    I just unashamedly love the aesthetics of this show. I love the music, I love the car. I love the never-ending road-trip. I love the leather jackets and the flannel shirts and the seedy bars. I love the disco themed hotel rooms in backwater towns. I love fighting the evil lurking below the surface of suburbia. I love Dean calling paranormal entities ‘goddamn sons of bitches’. I don’t find any of it cliched; I actually find it refreshing in the current TV landscape.

    And I absolutely love the brotherly relationship – not because they’re hot, but because I’m a little sister whose big sisters are her best friends, and the emotional scenes between Sam and Dean just break my heart. Above everything else It’s the core of the show – the rest is really peripheral to that. (If you want to see some of what I’m talking about, I recommend 118 Something Wicked, 209 Croatoan, [which has zombies and is therefore awesome in its own right], and the big doozy 220 What Is And What Should Never Be [the one where you see what the Winchesters' lives would have been like if their mother hadn't died].)

    For me, it’s not about loving a show that failed to live up to its potential. I think of Supernatural more like a stray kitten – sure, sometimes it may walk into walls and chase its own tail ’til it’s dizzy, but I love it when it sits on my lap and purrs, and when it grows up I’m going to be real happy I stuck with it. If I’m looking for perfection I’d go to a breeder like HBO.

    The thing is though, I guess I can’t blame you. If you can’t see what I see in this show it’s totally understandable that it’s (many) flaws would make you dislike it. And I understand that sometimes things can just rub you completely the wrong way – my hate for Grey’s Anatomy for instance knows no bounds.

    But if you’re ever willing to give Supernatural another try, I suggest watching the episodes 106 Skin, 207 The Usual Suspects, 212 Night Shifter then 219 Folsom Prison Blues, in that order. The plots all segue into one another, and I think they show how versatile Supernatural can be; that it can be fun but also dramatically satisfying; and that it can even have *gasp* clever scriptwriting. And if you don’t think the use of Renegade by Styx at the end of Night Shifter is one of the best uses of music in TV ever (and I’m not talking shitty girly montages to Chasing Cars here, I’m talking pure awesomeness and actually being appropriate in terms of the narrative), then you’re lost to me.

  • Helena

    Heh, I really didn’t realize I’d written that much. Oh well.

    Just wanted to add that though Freddy’s Revenge isn’t a true sequel in many respects, it should remain revered as a classic, heartbreaking, and sometimes artistically homoerotic tale of a teenager repressing his sexuality ;)

  • Helena

    Heh, I really didn’t realize I’d written that much. Oh well.

    Anyway, i just wanted to add that although Freddy’s Revenge isn’t a true sequel in many respects, it should remain revered as a classic, heartbreaking, and occasionally artistically homoerotic tale of a teenager repressing his sexuality ;)

  • http://www.forever-jensen.skyrock.com didi

    ok you don’t like it !! but jensen &jared with supernatural of course deverse more respect !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.forever-jensen.skyrock.com didi

    as army soldier know supernatural and love it !!! they know jensen & jared are great actor :) :):):):):):)

    supernatural & jensen & jared forever ):):)

  • Casey

    HEY DONT DISRESPECT SUPERNATURAL OR JENSEN AND JARED.SUPERNATURAL ALL THE WAY.:)

  • http://www.myspace.com/vckersette25 KJ

    Wow, where to start…

    First off, some of ya’ll’s replies are just plain rude. Everybody IS entitled to their opinion, even if you don’t agree with it. The great thing about the world is that we don’t all love the same things, nor do we have to. If we did, it’d just be boring.

    Second, I think it was Tim that made the comment about Veronica Mars? The first season, I loved. It was great, but an A+ show? I think that’s taking it a bit far, and the last season was pretty bad. But again, everybody is entitled to their opinion, and it’s not like they got rid of VM to keep Supernatural.

    Third, yes, I am a fan of this show, but I don’t really watch it for the ‘scares’. Cause personally, the only episode that ever scared me was Everybody Loves a Clown, but that’s only cause I’m TERRIFIED of clowns. (and yes, I know that’s silly for a 26-year-old) anyways, I mostly watch it, cause I think the show is hilarious. Dean’s got some great one-liners and I love the way the brothers play off eachother, it just cracks me up. I never miss an episode, and have the first 2 seasons on DVD, plus all the ones so far from the 3rd on my computer. So I think it’s safe to say that it’s my favorite show that’s on right now.

    I love shows with a supernatural-esk theme. Buffy, Angel, Charmed, Supernatural, Smallville. And I’m not too big on many ‘normal’ shows as my family calls them.

    I personally don’t see why people love Heros and Lost so much, I could never get into them. Or, I think somebody mentioned According to Jim. Comic masterpiece? Is that what was said about it? Seriously? Come on now, it’s not like it’s written by Dane Cook, it’s really not that funny.

    I swear I had a point when I started this ramble….

    Oh yes. Some of us love the show. CT (along with many other people) happens to hate the show. Yelling and being rude in your replies to him…it’s really not gonna change his mind. If anything, it’s gonna make him like the show less because of the crazy Supernatural stalker girls. So have some respect for the dude’s opinion, even if you don’t agree with it.

  • Truth

    KJ,

    How can you have respect for someone’s opinion when they clearly don’t respect anyone else’s? You’re being too kind.

    This article sucks and I seriously question the competence of anyone who can bash Supernatural for not being scary or bad acting and be a BUFFY fan at the same time.

    Maybe in Season 4, Supernatural can match the psychological HORRORFEST that was “Buffy the Vampire Slayer” or “Angel” with a musical episode. Or have Sam turn into a PUPPET!!

    SHEER TERRORRRRR!!!!!

  • BB

    Wow…just…wow..Good point there KJ!
    I seriously can’t understand why you’re bashing this show…I don’t know why everyone assumes that girls watch it just because the guys are hot…I mean COME ON that’s just a plus, they can really act and you obviously haven’t seen them at their best. There’s more to those two guys than just their looks and don’t assume all girls are like THAT with the over reactions…

    As far as the special effects go, do you know how much money and work that takes? These guys have to crank out a show every week with little to no sleep and they don’t get a lot of money..The special effects really aren’t that bad anyways, you don’t see Power Ranger effects on there do ya? What type of special effects were you expecting really? They can’t really do better than what they have now…quite frankly I don’t think any tv show could…

    And even if you hate the show, you’ve gotta give Kripke some credit, Supernatural is (as far as I know) the first of its kind in trying to bring some horror to the small screen. Granted it’s not really horror-esque that much, but where else can you get the same dark atmosphere that it has nowadays?

    What the hell are you talking about with what you said about Jensen? Have you seen him in other shows before?? That’s his own voice he has no others…and since when has anyone judged a tv show just because of someone’s voice?!

    A lot of the shows problems have to do with budget, time, and viewers….Hell they had to pray for a third season…I blame the network moslty because it doesn’t let them do a LOT of things that I’m sure you’d call horror….but the network won’t let them do everything they want….

    I can understand why some don’t like this show, but when someone hates something, they tend to only see the bad things about it (even if some things aren’t there)….What I can’t understand is why you’d complain about the show so much and still watch it…I’m sure you weren’t this critical of everything when they aired the Pilot…so it can’t be THAT bad….

  • http://win2y5.forumpro.fr/portal.htm cristal

    Hello everyone!
    I am French and I am a big fan of supernatural. This series has crossed borders and many French as I love this series!
    I wanted to give my opinion on this review! Indeed, there is freedom of expression! And a series Supernatural is very well done, with humor, action and stories that take the road! In France, we love Supernatural and especially Jensen and Jared that are major players! They had a very different, but together they make sparks, and I think that denigrate the work of these two actors (same if it is paid to their role)) should not be accepted! One could call this respect!
    Couch Tater, you do not like the series, does look more but do not come to give your opinion known a series if you do not have the same outcome. When compared to Buffy Supernatural, there is a world of diffèrences same if I liked watching Buffy!
    Supernatural series is a really special and very attractive provided by the actors as the scenarios that are derived from genuine legends.
    In short, I do not know if you manage to understand me, but I speak on behalf of several french fans who have not apprècié this criticism and, malgrés everything, always watching this series.
    Kiss to all those who love Supernatural!

  • http://www.myspace.com/bethhobbs Elizabeth

    I wanna know why you seem to think NOES:2 is not a sequel? Really……humor me.

  • JarednJensengirl

    I know people are entitled to their own opinion but if you don’t watch a show regularly how can you hate it.?Yes maybe sometimes I wish the writing went a different way but I’ve never not loved the show. It’s also true that not all people are great actors, but to say Jared Padalecki and Jensen Ackles can’t act, thats just disrespecting them.Pssh you have no idea how wrong you are!! They are the ones that make the show soo believeable with their relationship as brothers. Jared was cute in GG but he is so much more now, same goes for Jensen. They are incredible actors in both Tv and movies. I’ve never met them personally ) – = but in every interview they are the nicest guys (may not be relevant but i had to add it)

    As for the continuity I’m sure other fans have let you in on the jessica storyline but if you were a fan you would have gotten what the storyline was, it was explained in S1 finale and just general facts from S2. No not everyshow is perfect, there are plenty of continuity errors, bad acting etc on every show but the reason you can’t understand why people get crazy over Supernatural well i guess you’ll never know……Guess its something that not most people get.

    It may not be scary to everyone but that depends on peoples definition to what scary is. First and foremost its about family and Kripke as always said that. The action and scariness are equally and enjoyed bonuses!

    Besides the actors and the writers and all the people who help make Sn the best show( they work very hard and they deserve good things). The fans are the ones who can make or break a show and considering how Supernatural has stiff competition on Thursdays and are still going strong eventhough we weren’t sure about S3, SN made it. The network needs to do more advertising but the fans do it for them.

    K so i’m done defending as im sure when you started this blog you knew that would happen but Im not a basher and like I said opinions are everyones. Supernatural fans support their show and Kripke and everyone knows that they do have hardcore fans!!! Rock on SN!!

  • Jonh Paul

    We probably just made the most replyed post in the Tv addict history lol!
    157 replys counting mine.
    ;)
    Love SPN

  • Ashlyns

    Supernatural is the only show on television I watch. Although I do not agree with your views on the show, you are entitled to your opinion.

  • Cheryl

    “And maybe what I hate most of all is just not “getting” what it is that makes so many people go gaga for something that in my never-exactly-humble opinion is average at best”…..TV addict

    If you don’t “get” the human side of “Supernatural” you have indeed missed the entire point of the show.

  • ML

    I’m quite late to this, but maybe someone’s still reading.

    I completely understand how a horror connoisseur would despise this show. I despise 99.9% of the horror genre — being scared or grossed out just seems a pointless and unfun endeavor to me — but I love (well… vary between intense like and annoyance/disappointment) this show. I scare easily, and I can get through the show just fine. Unfortunately for Supernatural, it IS trying to be a horror show — creator Eric Kripke tries very very hard to make it scary, and it’s obvious from interviews that he, like you, is a horror buff. I don’t know where the above fans are getting the idea that this show was ever intended to be a family drama. It wasn’t. The family drama just ended up being the only good, watchable, meaningful part of it, which many of the show’s creative staff seemed to realize during season 1, and they do their best to capitalize on it, though their success in that has been hit or miss.

    So yeah, I really get what you’re saying. The mythology — it only makes the shallowest of sense (and I’ve watched and paid close attention to every single episode, thanks). Yes, Kripke has said he has a plan, but it’s clear to me now that he either sucks at planning or is lying or both. The burning of women on the ceiling — which could have been used allegorically/metaphorically/symbolically/whatever — turned out to have no purpose whatsoever be solely for the shock factor, and the misogyny in it kind of bothers me (something that bothers me about the whole horror genre, so I guess Kripke was just following in their footsteps).

    As for your criticism of the actors: it does surprise me that you find Padalecki the better actor. But this does seem to follow the pattern: I’ve never met or heard of a male fan of Ackles acting. They either don’t particularly care either way or they dislike him, from what I’ve seen. Far more male fans of Padalecki. This makes me reevaluate my own assessments of their respective skills — am I biased because I think Ackles/Dean is attractive? Or is this a matter of gender perceptions or interest? Personally, I find Ackles does extremely well conveying emotion both broadly and subtley when the situation warrants. He seems to have an instinct for this character that clicks with what the audience (the female audience at least) wants to see. Perhaps it is a matter of females’ purportedly more fine-tuned ability to detect and understand emotion from other people, as opposed to men (on average, I mean — not trying to stereotype anybody). It could be that, because I find him attractive, I attribute all sorts of qualities to him that aren’t really there… but there are tons of hot people on television, and many of this type of heart-of-gold bad-ass character, and I don’t respond like I do to Dean. In fact, I generally dismiss extremely beautiful people as talentless because that is so often the case, as casting people are looking for a look and a personality type as much as (if not more than) skill.

    Padalecki, however, I have not found enjoyable or effective as an actor until this season. I like Sam because Padalecki has an innate likeability, and I feel that he and Ackles have some great chemistry as brothers, but he doesn’t have the precision or subtlety that Ackles has as Dean.

    I don’t watch the show because it’s good, I watch it because the dynamics of my own family were very similar to theirs and I identify strongly with Dean as an older sibling and eldest child of a parent like John. I like watching them interact with each other, have strong emotions for each other. And I like watching these distinctly American blue-collar underdog heroes, little people fighting big things. But it really comes down to the familly. If you don’t identify with any of that, you’re definitely not gonna understand the appeal of this show, in my opinion.

    Your post could have been a TAD less condescending though. “Stoopernatural” fans? There’s opinion, and there’s name-calling. If you’d risen above the crazy fangirls and kept a cool head, I would’ve had a bit more respect that you were, as you state in the comments, simply giving your reasoned opinion as opposed to instigating a flame war. But I am rather glad to see some differing opinions of the show, since the rest of Supernatural fandom is virtually bursting with unadulterated squee and blind adulation of every aspect of the show. That’s why I don’t call myself a “fan,” per se… :P

  • ruby

    you’re sick and need to help my dear,
    supernatural is AWESOME show..
    and this guys (jensen and jared) ‘so talented’ hello *-*
    ok but i understand, you’re like shit i’m sorry..
    it’s the true, and i see.. yeah you watch just crap.. ;D
    supernatural is life :T
    kiss :*

  • http://z15.invisionfree.com/Haunted_Oz/index.php Sam

    I get what you’re saying. Its not perfect, I DO NOT get what you mean about Jensen’s voice. It sounds like a normal voice. It sounds like he’s talking. What more is there to say?

    I get that occasionally the acting isn’t that good, but i must say of my knowledge it is hardly EVER from the two mains. They play their parts as they should.

    And I’m not gonna even bother with the Jessica thing, because all these comments into the page, there is no point whatsoever, if it doesn’t make sense to you now, it never will.

    I feel that Buffy was not witty at ALL. Especially when taken from the Buffster herself… i mean, come on. As if. Spike had his moments though…

    I would also like to say that i know quite a few men who appreciate Ackles’ acting, as well as a MILLION women… and i am one of them… come on, did you SEE What Is And What Should Never Be?

    That is all…

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  • http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/freebird Rene

    I didn’t think I would like the show but was hooked from the Pilot. Even though it is a show about the supernatural the main focus is the boys relationships. Anyone who takes the time to be open toward it will see that right away. I am an older Fan Girl and think the community of fans who have a voice in the show is what many shows need. Kripke has allowed us that and those of us who are dedicated know that they are doing a good job and we have hopes for a long series run.

    As far as Jensen Ackles voice I believe maybe you are jealous. LOL

    Oh well that is my two sense worth.

  • Erin

    Come on, CT.

    You say you were expecting Buffy when you tuned into Supernatural??

    True, Buffy was a large landmark that is undoubtedly a strong platform for all paranormal shows that came afterwards, but Supernatural is just in a completely different category.

    I am a hard-dying Buffy fan as well, as I’m sure many other posters above are — I didn’t read through all the comments — but even I let go once I realized what kind of new territory Supernatural was breaking into. Don’t get me wrong, Buffy is a great show and it always will be, but you can’t go mixing it around and comparing it to Supernatural. They’re completely different universes, as many fanfiction writers will understand. Supernatural is not about teenage girls that are endowed with mystical superpowers, and the wacky hijinks that ensue. As far as magic goes in the Supernatural world, it’s much more limited.

    Maybe you’re just one of those people who live very comfortable lifestyles, but not everyone is so privileged. One of the very reasons why I eagerly became a Supernatural fan was because of the fact that they are not living it large at all. I’m not a full-fledged fangirl by any means, and I keep Buffy in my heart, but the fact that Buffy always had about three outfits per episode and their house was always perfect despite the claims of a tight income really irked me. I honestly expected Supernatural to suck and fail when I first saw the previews for the pilot. I was wrong. It won me over.

    I was relieved to finally find a show that has characters that often wear the same outfits for weeks and travel in the middle of nowhere. I’m tired of shows about the dramatic lives of spoiled OC brats. I’m sick of seeing people who have everything they need complain about not having anything.

    Supernatural appeals to my less unfortunate upbringing. I understand that Dean and Sam are just characters, and Jenson and Jared make a great living in reality, but at least the show in question does not project another nauseating image of high-class drama.

    That being said, I hope you find something redeeming about this show, or that you can at least delude yourself with other mindless programming. There are plenty of choices for you out there, and I’m comfortable with the one I’ve chosen.

  • Chris

    I missed the first series of this show but saw all of the second series, I didn’t realise that its a show aimed at women, that is strange in itself for horror, it should really try to aim itself at both sexes though. I do think that weries 3 is bad though but this show is no means a groundbreaking show and it just doesn’t seem to have high viewing figures in the USA that it could have (I am in the UK). You can’t really watch a programme or a film just cause someone i sexy in it and forget about the plot, look at the Resident Evil film series people are just watching it beacuse of Milla Jovovich and while Milla Jovovich is a good looking person it just has not saved those films, I fear the same is happening in this with this show like what is happening with the Milla Jovovich films.

  • Thebettsboy

    Well Look.

    Yes, it’s not perfect.

    No, it’s not “edge of your seat” scare-a-minute thrills.

    But in my opinion, it is probably, the best show that I have ever seen.

    Addressing key issues:

    Acting: All i can say is, season one, was a little jerky to start with, both the lead actors had a long way to go before, well, before they were considered actors (in my view anyway). But after, hmmm, about, 7 or 8 episodes, everything kind of started melding into what was rapidly becoming my favorite show. I know, I’m biased, because i like the show, but i think, HATE is a strong word.

    Continuity: Name me a show on television right this second, that ONE HUNDRED PERCENT follows every tiny little plot device? There are none. Thats not to say there aren’t any other good shows, because, they exist in droves, House, Heroes, and a few of the random comedic styled shows (Scrubs, for example), are just a few of the shows that i, personally like to watch.

    I’m not mad, upset or angry, i just happen to be of a differing opinion, and i respect that, cheers!

    (P.S, BUFFY IS TERRIBLE.)

  • Nora

    I actually really like this show, its probably one of my favorites, however… I’m not incredibly fond of the fans. Not all, some of them are actually cool and not crazy at all, but some of them just go too far with stuff.

    Anytime there’s going to be a girl (or anyone, for that matter) on this show and someone in an interview says something to the effect that they’re going to flesh that character out, some people act like it is the worst thing ever. I like this show and I watch it for the relationship between the two brothers, and if an episode didn’t have enough of them, I’d be lying if I said that did not irk me. (Yes, Ghostfacers, I’m looking at you.)

    But here’s the thing. These same people bash Gilmore Girls continually, complaining that the writers didn’t flesh “Dean” out more. GG is also a show with *two* leads and the show follows *their* lives. They want Gilmore Girls “Dean” fleshed out more, but God forbid Sam or Dean have a love interest and the writers express interest in fleshing the character out more…sound hypocritical to anyone?

    This fandom is just mean to other fandoms sometimes. It turns into a “My show is better than your show and *here* is why…” argument, but if anyone says something about this show or what they don’t like, sometimes they get attacked and things like, “If you don’t like it watch something else!” start coming from people’s keyboards. This fandom will bash the heck out of anyone that JP or JA acted with who fandom thinks is *so very* untalented, but if you say something about JP or JA, it turns into a screaming match. Some people just tend to act like others aren’t entitled to their own opinions when it comes to this show.

  • Hal

    Please, Supernatural is the best show ever. I have watched and re watched all 3 seasons and I still can’t get enough of it. Jensen, Jared and Jeffrey are brilliant actors. So lay off.

  • Emelie

    if u hate this show u really should get help because there is something wrong with you! supernatural is the best show ever! and though i dont care much for jared padalecki, i do however love jensen ackles. he’s charming and yet very serious..

  • Lynn

    i can understand why you hate this wonderful show….. The guys are so awesome !!!!

  • Fae

    I love supernatural

  • Fae

    I love supernatural. I am only 12 and it doesnt seem to scare me! I have watched practically eery episode 4 times and there still seems to be something ive missed. i think that if you dont like supernatural then dont make a big deal out of it. I think its well written i still think that i could have come up with better endings of an extra episode to make it more sense but i like many programmes and i could do the same for them.

  • jo

    You know a year ago if I had seen this article I would have been just as vicious as other people on this site. I would have foolishly called you names and refused to see reasons beyond my “BELOVED” supernatural. But a recent experince has taught me different.
    The way people defnd this show is apalling the fans are so disgustingly and repulsively loyal that once you try and make comment be it negative. Youd better duck for cover. They obsessively salivate over the boys and attack anyone who might dare have a different opinion. They move in packs. How can someone say because you do not like a show they should get help???? How sick are you. I was recently on the firing end of SPN fan hate and I was shocked at the treatment i received just beacuse i made a comment about the show they were all up in arms and I was taken aback. I dont have anything against this show in particular it is really adequately entertaining.But its fans are really something else. I reallly apologise for all the abuse you have received. Its unfortunate but hthe thing that would probably never make SPN in the big leagues is their truly “RABID” fandom which put other people off.

  • jo

    And yes I was a great fan before But really tthat experience has put me right off. But do you know what is really pathetiic the next couple of entries are going to have insulting statements directed at me. This unfortunately what they do. It is either going to be passive aggressive or straight out rude. Sorrry if I came on a little strong but someone has to say it.

  • Joy

    I agree! Supernatural sucks….but mostly because the psychotic fans are basically insane and can’t stand it when “their boyd” so much as touch another woman. It’s a tv show ladies. Get.a.life

  • evie

    Ah, I agree on some parts it’s entertaining. But it’s not Buffy material. And I’m still POed at cw for canceling Veronica Mars. I still like it though.

  • W i l l o w

    Coulda sworn I left my comment here. For some reason its missing. Oh, well, Here’s a Repost:

    Take it from someone who’s been there, man. I know EXACTLY how Nutty Fangirls and Fanboys can get about a show. This one in particular (you really SUPERNATURAL nuts, then venture LiveJournal.com. Its a marsh pit, baby); You can’t imagine the Shitstorm that occasionally continues on, even now, around “Digimon Adventure” and “Gundam Wing” (particularly about shipping/pairing characters up). But there are some mellow and level headed fans out there, like the few that show up here and semi agree with you, that have you appreciating fandom. I think you are the only person, besides myself, I’ve encountered who’s gone out of their way to expain why their not nuts about this show with more than just “I hate Supernatural”; I love that you’ve expressed an opposite opinion because I have been seriously looking for one (though they seemed to have cropped up since S3).

    I was once a MAJOR fan of this show and Jensen Ackles. At first, I thought it was a dull entry into the “Supernatural/Horror” Catagory of TV. Then I gradually got used to it and I watched the first two seasons with great enthusiasm. I loved how they brought urban legends to life and incoporated it into the “Hunting” storyline of the tattered Winchester Family. But as Season two dragged onward, my interest in the show started to wain signifigantly and I really started to see some major flaws in the storyline that irritated me. For starters, Jensen Ackles performances really began to feel phoned in all through S2, especially in the more dramatic secnes between the brothers. He was Brilliant in “In my TIme of Dying”, “What is and What Should Never Be”, “Everybody Loves a Clown”, and “Children Shouldn’t Play with Dead Things”, but between those episodes, I think he laid it on way too thick with the Bravado and even more so when his character was angsting. If anything, his performance is similiar to that in James Camron’s DARK ANGEL when he played the character Alec, Angst, Humor, the whole package. The only reason, I think, it really didn’t bother me in DA, is because he wasn’t always the main focus of that show; There were enough characters to spread screen time to, so I never got irritated by Jensen’s performance in that series.

    I never really had any affection for the Sam WInchester character; He reminded me far too much of my own smart mouthed and whinny sibblings, but I tolerated him for the most part (just like I do my sibblings). Padalecki has never been a great actor, but he was better than he usually is in this show, but his limits in performing showed the most in S1. By far the best actor on the show was the one that hardly showed up; and that was Jeffery Dean Morgan as John Winchester. He was really something else (I can’t wait to see him in “Watchmen”) for the short time he was on the show. Oh, and there was also Jim Beaver and Samantha Ferris as Ellen Harvelle (As a Gundam Wing fan, you do not know how happy I was to see the face of the voice for Sally Po). They didn’t do enough with her character in S2, but she had some great moments. Alona Tal as the daughter, Jo, was great as well. Especially in the last episode she appeared in, “Born Under a Bad Sign”; The Jo character is far more in substance and characterization that the S3 Bimbos.

    The biggest flaw Season 2 Had was the “Speical Children” and “Dean will have to Kill Sam if he becomes Evil” subplots; they just really went NOWHERE with those arcs until the lackluster season finale; and The only good that came out of “All Hell Breaks Loose I-II” was the end of the Yellowed Demon named Azazel. Also, they were really beating a dead horse with the aformentioned secret John tells Dean once it was revealed; I was seriously tired of hearing Sam constantly reminding Dean (when it mattered) that he would have to kill him if he turned to the dark side. “So ye little faith?” I kept thinking.

    I stopped watching the show when they announced they were going to include to “Female Characters Equal to Dean & Sam”; I knew exactly how that was going to turn out and by the looks of it, I was on the money about those chicks. And it seems its only gotten worse with the inclusion of an Angel named of a bar of Organic Soap (Castiel). But, alas, to some degree I miss watching the show, but the reminders of why I stopped watching the show (having nothing to do with the fangirls and boys) constantly spring to mind and I shrug off the nolstagia. It just became too melodramtic for me; It focused less on Hunting Monsters & The Supernatural, and more on problems between the brothers that could’ve been resolved in a four episodes and left to the wayside for another time.

  • Holly

    Ok Hello Everyone!
    Im am a BIG FAn of Supernatural!
    So I just wanted to clear some things up, now im not going to yell at the people who hate the show even though you shouldnt hate a show cuz your kinda being rude becuase the people in the show put all they hard work and effort into it so just say udislike it! But I still dont get y u dont like it unless you dont like scary stuff.it has all the elements of tv suspence horror romance comedy adventure in my opinion its my favorite show out there and probably one of the best. But also Jared and Jensen are very hot yes im sorta a fan girl but even if they werent the show would carry itself through.But in my opinion i think jensen and jared are very good actors although they havent been in to much yet but this is only the start of there careers but they bring a sorta funny and dramatic sense to the show but people that dont like them or the show its ok because sometimes people just dont like things its just how it is so people who love the show dont yell at people or call them names because they dont like the show and u do its there choice so get over it!!
    I LOVE SUPERNATURAL!!
    JARED AND JENSEN!!

  • jamie

    i WATCHED supernatural just because of the characters (not because of the acting, both actors play equally well their characters, i don´t care too much about that).

    The original plot is/was good for a tv show, but the background stories and the horror effects were always really, really bad.

    Now i hate supernatural, because of its fandom.

    I dont know why this particular show has joined so many aggressive, selfish, childish, mean people (some of them growned up women). The things they write about real people (and im not talking about wincest), the way they react when someone has a different opinon,full of hate, emptiness and intolerance… That is really scary… that´s the scary part of the show!

  • llivla

    SPN fan here saying you rock! Seriously, the fandom is absolutely batshit crazy and really, really creepy. It reminds me of Michael Rosenbaum’s creepiest girls x1000: from 13 to 50+ age doesn’t make a difference when you’re insane. It’s scary.

    I haven’t watched any episodes this season, and don’t plan to until I’m off university for a break — I’m sticking my head in the sand while the fandom rages during the year.

    Another thing: the show completely caters to its psychotic/borderline stalker fans. Females are added and drops according to the sheer rage when someone talks to Dean or Sam (I can’t believe some of these fans are my gender, or even human).

    When the script is weak I want to just get the last 45+ minutes of my life back (but then, I just love Sam and Dean’s relationship, since I never had anything so powerful with my own family, let alone my own younger sibling, so in the end I still cherish the episode in some way), when the acting is glaringly off I have to question if crack monkeys gave the green light pass for calling it a wrap. Buffy dealt with fall outs, like the sheer number of cemeteries and churches (people in Sunnydale know morbid, violent/weird shit goes on, they just ignore it), and the ‘real world’ even if the exposition’s a bit tl;dr — SPN like SV just hopes you don’t notice how ridiculous it is for a seventeen year old to be running a coffee shop on a school day or how Clark gets everywhere so fast, or how a flashy car like Dean’s NEVER is flagged by the law that’s supposedly after them or their credit card scams. Buffy used show AND tell, Smallville just hammered how EVIL Lex was/how in love two people were/how great _ was without 1) SHOWING or 2) making it clear it’s a testament of how close-minded SV is; SPN, like Buffy, tries to show there isn’t a clear line for such things, but it’s still not phenomenal.

    Like many of Buffy’s characters, SPN makes me feel the fear of loneliness the brothers have if they’d lose the other, and the stupid things they do to avoid it no matter how co-dependent and wrong it is. Like Buffy and Giles’ platonic relationship, Sam and Dean’s brother story yanked me in and wouldn’t let me go. Croatoan is disliked by many for being a bad episode, but for me it’s a favorite because it shows the twisted desperation between Sam and Dean: even in the face of Sam begging Dean to kill him because he WILL hurt other people, Dean can’t do it, when just earlier he killed someone else for the same thing. It reminded me of Buffy being incapable of killing Dawn, and the shock Buffy goes into losing her hit me just as much as when Sam is eventually taken from Dean at the end of the season, and I cried like Buffy after Angel’s death when Sam was killed right before Dean’s eyes. ‘Supernatural Christmas’ again made me ache thinking about someone loving me as much as those brothers love each other, someone so desperately grateful you’re around; like in ‘Dead Man’s Party’ where Buffy finally starts to relax — once Giles hugs her and lets them in — and Giles just takes a minute in the kitchen and quietly has a little break down how happy he is she’s safe and back, that’s all. And there’s an awesome Buffy shout out in the Ghostfacers episode, which is a mixture of lulz and creepy.

    Wow, I could have sworn this was just going to be just a ‘word yo’ post but it kinda got bigger. IDK, I just kind of wanted to show how I agree with you. All your points are valid, and um… I prefer to think the evolutionary-impaired side of fandom doesn’t exist? :’D Keep your stance, in fact, I’d LOL so hard if you made another one like this reviewing the series and going ‘…nope, still sucks. V’ People like you make the crazies run around like dodos, and in Ice Age at least it led to them all falling off a cliff. Even Jensen and Jared mocked their own show, and really, it made me like them even more with them wondering why people aren’t doing something more useful with their lives.

  • Shannon

    I am a huge fan of supernatural. I find it to be as good if not better then the X-files. I have to say there has not been one show that I have not enjoyed. True some are better then others. I enjoy the stand alone episodes better then the main story line ones but that is my personal preference.

  • Greg

    For god sake, you have to be kidding to compare xfiles with supernatural..!

    The problem with supernatural is its fandom, mainly because they let kripke treat them as idiots unable to understand the metaphors of the show. Supernatural messages are full of xenophobia, and because the show is about human, angels and demons they dont realize that they are consuming and defending xenophobic messages (xenophobia in its wide connotation of fear and hate to what is different from normality).

    In Supernatural, actions and motivations are not important. Characters (even the two main characters) are defined as good or evil (and therefore are labeled, stereotyped, and punished) considering their belonging to a certain group.

    The more and more xenophobia and repression kripke spreads, the more and more “in kripke I trust” the fandom answers.

  • eva

    I commented on this article earlier, but it seems to have vanished. Well, let’s do it again :)
    First, I am a fan of SPN, I still like the show and I have a lot of tight online and offline friendships that started with the love for this show.
    I guess I am not in the rabid parts of fandom so the remarks about that kind of suprise me. I agree there are a few (especially the female ones) fans that take it too far and bash, but why bother, just let it slide off and move on, you know?
    I totally don’t mind anyone having a critical view on SPN, I welcome it. It is the main reason I found this site, to be honest. I wondered if there were people actually honest about how they felt about the show ;)

    I started watching the show last year so I was in the position to watch season 1, 2 and 3 in a short time period and it is definately improving season by season. The points you named in your article were spot on, as are many other points to be made about the show.
    For example, in the 4th season, the angel’s arc and storyline couldn’t really interest me much, it was a pretty original and unexpected twist but it is not the reason I watch the show and I am definately not a Cas-girl LOL.
    The quality of the more angsty episodes has gone down IMO cause of the tragic loss of the late Kim Manners.
    I think Erik Kripke shouldn’t give in to the fans (especially the rabid ones) like he’s doing now.

    The following comments make you wonder why I still love it?
    Because the family arc, the actors (regulars and guest starring) , the funny crossovers (Jacob from Lost being Lucifer) and much more. If you are a sucker for knowing small facts and you have a good general knowledge you will love the writing ;) And because I want to see what they make of it this season (5). For me personally, the fandom is another reason to stick with it, because frankly, I don’t know where to find the crazy ones, I only know sane people with a great sense of humour and selfcritizism (not a native speaker)

    thumbs up for getting this many comments on a good article that could have been a lot better if you had a good follow up ;)

  • Angela

    I really enjoyed the first three seasons – including the cheese fest effects and silly (at times) acting – but the fourth just didn’t do it for me. I liked some of the episodes, but seriously? The Apocalypse? How can the show go another season since Lucifer rose?

    There was no clear distinction between angels and demons, so there was no good and evil, just a lot of talk about how family is everything.
    I miss how it started – with individual stories each episode and only hints of the Winchesters in the background. That is why I watched it. It’s my own little modern Twilight Zone.

    Read an article that the actors signed on for a sixth season. Please do NOT do that! Save the show before it tanks completely.

  • jo

    I’LL JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT A YEAR LATER, COMING BACK ONE WOULD THINK THE SHOW HAS IMPROVED…IT STILL SUCKS.

    WHY DO YOU ASK?

    THE VENERATION OF DEAN WINCHESTER A.K.A BY KRIPKE
    THE EVER WOODEN ACTING OF JARED PADALECKI
    THE INTRODUCTION OF CASTIEL LOL
    THE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE DIALOG
    THE BLACK HOLE PLOT LINES
    THE FORGETTABLE GUEST STARS
    AND THE CRAZY FANS THAT CONTINUE TO SUPPORT IT DESPITE THE CRAP IT HAS BECOME

    tHE ONLY REASON PEOPLE WATCH THIS SHOW -AND BY PEOPLE I MEAN MIDDLE-AGED WOMEN AND YOUNG GIRLS WHO HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN TO WASTE THEIR LIVES OBSESSING ABOUT THESE TOW ACTORS , FIXED ON LAPTOPS AND COMPUTER SCREENS AS THEY WRITE STORIES ABOOUT TWO GUUYS WHO WILL NEVER KNOW THEM OR KNOW THEY EXIST.

    AND TO MAKE IT ALL WORSE, IN THE NEW SEASON , THE CREATOR OF THE SHOW, KRIPKE, ACTUALLY SEPNDS MORE TIME MOCKING SAID PATHETIC FANS. AND WHAT DO THEY DO IN RESPONSE? THEY LAUGH AND SMILE AND LAP IT UP, SWEARING THEY ARE DIFFERENT, THEY ARE NOT PART OF THIS RABID FANDOM.

    AS I LOOK UP AND DOWN THIS BOARD, ALL I SEE IS WHAT I SAW A YEAR AGO. A BUNCH OF SAD PEOPLE WHO ARE TYRING TO LIVE OUT THEIR FANTASY ,TALKING AND SPENDING THEIR LIVES OBSESSING OVER A HALF-BAKED SHOW WITH BAD WRITING AND ACTING JUST BECASUE THE ‘ BOYS ARE SO HOT!’. THEY CAN NEVER JUDGE THE SHOW OBJECTIVELY AND ARE LAUGHED AT BY KRIPKE ET AL AS BEING SICKOS THAT HAVE TO BE LISTENED TO IN ORDER TO GET PAID OR GET RATINGS.

    AS A FORMER RABID FAN MYSELF, MY ADVICE TO Y’ALL WOULD BE TO STOP WATCHING THIS CRAP SHOW AND END ALL OTHER SPN DEBILITATING SPN-RELATED BEHAVIOUR-LIKE WRITING FANFICTION,

    IT’S A WASTE OF TIME AND A WASTE OF YOUR LIFE.

    YEAH, I’M TALKING TO YOU.

    THE MIDDLE-AGED HOUSEWIFE WHO SPENDS ALL HER TIME ON THEIR WEBSITE NOT CARING HOW HER HUSBAND FEELS WHEN HE SEES HER SPENDING ALL HER TIME ON THE SPNE WEBSITE TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER MAN (DEAN OR SAM) OR PLAYING X-RATED(WINCEST) RPGS

    THE TEENAGE GIRL WHO SAVES MONEY EVERY YEAR TO GO TO THEIR CONVENTIONS.STAYING IN THE BACKGROUND HOPING EITHER JENSEN OR JARED WILL NOTICE HER OR HIM

    THE TEENAGE GIRL WHO CAN’T AFFORD TO GO , AND JUST HANGS JENSEN ACKLES PICTURE IN HER ROOM, DAYDREAMING….FANTASIZING

    THE GRANDMA WHO KEEP THEIR GIFS ON HER COMPUTER.
    MAKING FANVIDS ABOUT DEAN OR SAM OR BOTH,

    STOP IT. NOW., BECASUE YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS OBSESSION WOULD ONLY LEAD TO WORSE PSYCHOLOGICAL PROBLEMS. GET REAL LIVES. JENSEN OR JARED HAVE THEM AND NEWSFLASH, THEIR PLANS DON’T INCLUDE RABID FANGIRLS OR FANBOYS. THEY’RE JUST GETTING PAID,AND WILL DO THEIR BEST TO FORGET YOU -FANDOM-AFTER IT ALL ENDS.

  • dando takahashi

    the actors of this show would be embarressed to be with any of the obsessed freaks that calls themselves fans. they may be nice to you if you ever met them but the would

  • Male viewer

    Alright, why does everyone think that the fanbase is exclusively female? I watch this show every week and the only show that I like equally well is Psyche. The banter is realistic(perhaps not inventive but most of us guys aren’t) and keeps me amused. I don’t think its scary but that seriously isn’t the point of the show. It also keeps me guessing because you never know if things will end well or not. That said, Castiel and the treatment of Sam annoys the heck out of me. Why Kripke is making it seem like Sam is entirely to blame for armageddon when the angels were just pulling his(and everyone else’s) strings boggles the mind.

  • Lissa

    I absolutely hate Supernatural too. I watched it for the first season, and at first it wasn’t so bad. But it got worse fast. !. Kripke needs to read the Bible. In the Bible it says pretty clearly that it is GOD that wants the apocalypse to be. Not the devil. GOD wants the world to end in fire, and wants all people to be judged. I don’t think we need to rewrite the Bible, and its pretty ignorant! Also, Dean is one of the most evil, violent heartless SOB’s that I have ever seen. He was that way long before he went to Hell where he belonged. He decided that everything supernatural was evil, and witches were close enough to be evil as well. Dean would have been right at home in the Spanish Inquisition. In fact this show depicts everything that isn’t christian as being evil. Wiccans have all made deals with the devils, and all demons are totally evil all the time. We don’t know what their story is, but this show doesn’t encourage people to think. it encourages people to kill first, ask questions later. After all, the cruelest, most unthinking human imaginable is the savior according to this show. its downright disgusting.

  • Mary

    Supernatural USED to be good. I started watching it about 8-9 months ago, and I caught up with the reruns online.
    It had an interesting, generally unique premise with important themes in season 1. The familial chemistry between Sam, Dean, and occasionally John was interesting and the episodes were exciting and fun.
    The road trip feel of the show also added to its appeal. You could really feel the loneliness of the hunter lifestyle.
    I adored seeing small town USA, local folklore, and every dive motel and bar from Kansas to Oregon and back again.
    The relationship between Sam and Dean was the best in seasons 1-3. When season 4 rolled around and Kripke decided to make Sam and Dean hate each other in a boring redux of Obi Wan vs Anakin, the series began to go downhill.
    Apocalyptic story arcs and interpersonal drama took the driver’s seat and the banter and angst that once defined the series took a back seat.
    The series began rapidly deteriorating only to rebound slightly in season 5, but the most recent season has been an uneven rollercoaster of good and bad episodes.
    What made this series unique?
    Well, the format (hunting urban legends and ghosts), the folklore (rock salt, iron, colt .45), and the settings (rural backroads USA) all made the series unique.
    However, the real heart of the show was the complex, deep bond between Sam and Dean. I hate when fans see this as sexual. It’s not. House and Wilson have sexual undertones. Sam and Dean don’t.
    When the creators decided to make Sam go evil, the series kind of lost of its appeal.
    It showed some promise in early season 5 when Sam and Dean began to work together again. However, now it seems like they’re only together because it’s convenient or because they believe in strength in numbers. They hardly give a crap about each other any more.
    That’s what hurts the most. They don’t act like brothers.
    Castiel is OK,but he gets in the way as Dean’s buddy. Some viewers want to see Sam and Dean get along.
    Sam has to stop acting like a self-pitying fool and Dean needs to stop acting like a holier-than-thou douche.
    Another thing that turned me off from the series was the fandom.
    Sam and Dean girls always freakin’ fight. It’s ridiculous.

    To address the original question prompted by the article, I think that the show is popular because of the unique setting and the relationship between the brothers.

    Female fans watch for the open, candid (albeit rocky) relationship between the brothers, but they also watch it for the attractive male leads.

    Male fans watch it for the guns, music, cars, and action.

    The plot itself has suffered as of late, and the whole apocalypse thing is one big sacrilegious mess.

    If you’re new to Supernatural, here’s some advice.

    Season 1 and 2 are great, but don’t get used to the closeness between Sam and Dean. There are bad times ahead.

    Also, whatever you do, don’t read fanfiction or go on any messageboards for Supernatural.

    The fans complain about everything, fight about which brother is better, and even pair them up in romantic porn fics.

    Just enjoy the show for the cheesy, b-movie that it is.

    Also, don’t get too emotionally attached to the characters. They’re all bound to die at least once in the series, and it looks like it won’t end well for Sam or Dean.

  • John

    If you can't spell Michael Myers, then you have no right to criticize since it's obvious that you're mentally challenged.

  • spy20

    totally agree with you. i googled “hate” and “supernatural” looking for other people feeling like me. very disappointing show. and the thing about the voice just right on.

  • C.T COUCH POTATO

    to the supernatural hater because you dont no the things of God there will be no way for you to understand this movie its about the book of revelations and because you believe in totally evil things the good thats being done by the fallen Angels they are hoping to get back into heaven an be on Gods team. Just like you dont understand Supernatural I myself cannot get into something that is totally evil such as the movies that you have mention such as Freddie crugar or Jason. Because you have not read the things of God and has toally rejected it you would not like it because you dont understand it. an how can you understand it then you rejected Gods word only those who truly understand can appreciate it read the book of revelations starting with revelation chapter 6 until you finish the last chapter.its showing you how the world unfold an end.oyur education shows

  • Rachel

    It makes me irrationally happy to learn I am not the only person in the world who wishes this waste of airwaves would die a fiery death. You know it's bad when the fandom is way more terrifying and creepy than the show will ever be.

  • Monique

    I hate the show too. I think it should be called “I hate the Supernatural”. After all, isn't that what Dean and Sam do? They find every non Christian thing and kill it? I have a hard time rooting for the Spanish Inquisitor. I guess I was always a root for the witch type of girl. And although I did find the guys attractive at the start, that ship has sailed. Yeah, they are above average, if only their angry, unkind, total women hating attitude didn't ruin it, but so what? So are most men in Hollywood. And they are not aging that well. Maybe a nice vacation followed by some acting lessons would help. And get a better writer on board. OK, they hate everything, and yay humans, but thats getting dull.

  • Mshavzin

    I hate it too. It should be called “i hate and kill the Supernatural” instead of “Supernatural”. Hard to believe that women will root for an evil guy who makes the Spanish Inquisition look tolerant because he has a good body and a cute brother. But I guess its true. I HATE this show!!!

  • Mshavzin

    I hate the show too.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Maria-Shavzin/1507654721 Maria Shavzin

    I know, I can't understand why women would like a show that is so full of misogynist messages, and makes the Spanish Inquisition seem tolerant. All because the guys are cute?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Maria-Shavzin/1507654721 Maria Shavzin

    I think people are missing the point by glomming on to the rather untidy Jessica's death subplot. the shows writing is totally one note. Its like the show should be called “I hate the Supernatural” Its all about intolerant viewpoint. Dean and Sam would be welcomed by the people who killed witches in Salem. The show is about family like the Manson Family was about family. They are a family of psycho killers. Everything pagan is evil, Everything related to witchcraft is evil. I mean who writes this show? Pat Robertson? And its no wonder the kind of intolerant, mean people make up the fanship. It just makes me sad that women are so devoid of self respect that they would be happy with a show that brutalizes all religions that put females in a positive light, just because the guys are cute and rough.

  • Vivalagloria17

    Okay, first of all the whole thing with Sam's girlfriend dying was because Sammy was important to Azazel and he wanted to torture and manipulate Sam, it wasn't just some mindless, ritualistic, ceiling burnings, then if you've heard Jensen Ackles speak, you'd know he REALLY talks like that. If you can't get past the mere sound of someone's voice to enjoy a great show, I feel sorry for how shallow you are and Bela never did anything good, the accent wasn't planned, the chick that happened to be best for the part had the accent and she was a believable character in the whole world if you actually stuck around long enough to learn what that was about. So much of what you said completely missed the point that anyone with eyes could see. I'm sorry they strayed away from making you shit yourself every week to give the characters and their whole purpose some depth, but hey, it's all part of a little thing you don't understand called good writing.

  • Dalia

    Jessica was killed because she got in the way of their plans for Sam,

  • Dalia

    In my opinion, i think seeing as you read/watch so much horror, your expectations were ridiculously high. I understand though, because people will hate supernatural like i hate cheesy pop music, im not going to be as ignorant as to say that you should love the show because its amazing, as people have said.
    (Not that i dont love the show <3 )

  • Rachel

    You hit it right on the head. The lead actors are pure Estrogen Brigade Bait. That’s the only reason this show is successful, because it’s obvious Kripke just wiped his arse with a strip of celluloid and called it a day.

  • Spnchick90

    I still love the show, but its some things they need to change with season 6. I know alot of shows have there seasons that leave you like wtf just happen.
    Everybody have there own taste in show I guess.

  • The-Creepy-Creeper

    Jess was killed, because YED knew that if he got rid of her, Sam would start hunting again. BTW cupcake, I’m very sorry you don’t get scared easily, but Supernatural is scary for some viewers. Also, if you don’t like the show, then fine, but don’t go around saying that the actors are bad. Because that is the biggest lie I’ve ever heard. One more thing, you know NOTHING about Supernatural, so dont go around pretending you know what the show is about, when you’ve only seen like what, two episodes? You want to rant? At least get your facts straight.

  • Anasiaderp

    I will pee on everything you love. 

  • MaxBrk

    you have a lot of hate – dont worry, be happy =)