SUPERNATURAL: Let’s Speculate About Season 13


The season 12 finale of SUPERNATURAL had quite the body count (read our recap). Normally I’m not one to deal with speculation — I much prefer facts and spoilers — but this finale had the potential to be more of a game changer than we’ve seen of SUPERNATURAL for many, many years. And so with months to go before we get confirmation of what will happen, it might be fun to speculate on what’s to come.

Before we go on let me be very clear: I do not possess any spoilers that you, dear reader, don’t know. Everything I say from this point forward is 100% pure speculation on my part. It is entirely possible that I may be absolutely, completely wrong about this theory. But if I was writing this show, this is how I would do it.

So with that in mind, let’s begin with the facts….

What We Know

The British Men of Letters are, essentially, dead in America. It’s clear that at least part of the vast organization still exists in the UK, but I suspect that we won’t see them again, or at least for a long while. I think that story is concluded (for now).

Rowena is dead. We didn’t see Lucifer kill her, but it seems as if she is definitely gone. Her possible return is probably the most uncertain part of this speculation. Then again, they didn’t even bring Ruth Connell back to kill off her character, so if we never see some version (we’ll get to that soon) of Rowena again I would be extremely disappointed.

Crowley is dead. In some ways, the character had a bit of a redemption arc. He went out in perfect Crowley style — having proven his “loyalty” to his unlikely frenemies, the Winchesters, but not allowing Lucifer to best him one last time, even if he had to kill himself to do it. Crowley, in other words, went out on his own terms.

Castiel is dead. Unlike Crowley, Cas is a far more tragic figure in death. It’s clear now that he wasn’t really brainwashed by the nephilim, but he was shown a future he hoped would come to fruition. And in the end he died trying to stop Lucifer, but he didn’t achieve his purpose and so there’s a certain amount of tragedy to his demise. The interesting thing is that, despite the fact that the scene was quite dark, it seems very likely that you could see Castiel’s burnt and broken wings on the ground after his death once the camera panned up to the overhead shot. Frankly, they look different from the full wings we used to see of angels before the “fall”.


I think this is important because back in 2015 while visiting the SUPERNATURAL, we spoke to the VFX department about why we hadn’t seen burnt angel wings in recent seasons at that time. VFX Supervisor Mark Meloche explained that the showrunner at the time (Jeremy Carver) had made the choice not to show the wings any longer. Now we have a different showrunner (Andrew Dabb), but it’s interesting that he chose to bring back the burnt wings for this particular moment. Was it to prove that Castiel was, indeed, dead?

A multi-verse exists in the SUPERNATURAL universe. I’m always happy to see Jim Beaver return to the show, but what was the purpose of this alternate world? (Let’s call it Earth 2 for simplicity’s sake). Was it just a place to temporarily lock up Lucifer and Mary? If what was the case, then why show us an Earth 2 version of a beloved character? Was it for expository purposes only? Was that world going to try and spill over into the existing SUPERNATURAL world a la the MORTAL KOMBAT movie?

E2 Bobby was also very clear — there exists no copies of our show’s two lead characters in this alternate reality. There is no Sam or Dean and both Winchester parents are dead on Earth 2. Why specifically address that fact if that wasn’t going to lead somewhere? I think it was crucial to understanding this speculation. But what we know is that Earth 2 exists and that it is possible that different versions of some characters who have died in the normal SUPERNATURAL reality could exist, much like E2 Bobby.

Mary and Lucifer are trapped on Earth 2. Neither of them are dead, but right now there seems no hope that they might return to their Earth unless Jack were to open up another portal. There exists no alternate version of Mary in Earth 2, but I suppose there could be an alternate version of Lucifer there.

Kelly is dead and the nephilim (Jack) has been born. Whether or not Jack is evil remains to be seen. His ultimate purpose (whether it’s to destroy like Lucifer or bring peace to the world as Cas had hoped) is unknown. The powers he possesses are also unknown. Let’s assume, however, that Jack does not have the power to supernatural beings back to life, as only God/Chuck seems to possess that power and he has headed out on vacation with his sister.

Let’s go on a short tangent here because I know what you’re going to say — angels have the ability to bring people back from the dead. Dean, Sam and Charlie were all resurrected thanks to angels. Here, however, is the difference — in each of those cases their souls were returned to their (healed) bodies. Angels do not have souls. That’s been made clear to us. Presumably when an angel dies they are simply gone. God, having created everything, could bring back angels (much like he did with Cas) because he created them in the first place. But there’s been no confirmation that an angel, an archangel or even a hybrid-archangel such as Jack could resurrect an angel, so how could someone like Jack simply bring Castiel back to life? That would blatantly violate everything we know about the show’s canon.  In addition, every time Cas has died in the past it was because he was exploded. He’s never experienced death the way that other angels have — by being stabbed with an angel blade and seeing his burnt wings. Angels don’t come back from that (and yes, there’s been a hint that maybe Gabriel survived but that hasn’t been proven and it’s speculation up until this point).

Meanwhile, demons are slightly different than angels as they are souls that were twisted into evil. Technically Crowley could possibly be brought back to life, but I think that the history of the show dictates that it’s unlikely. There has to be a reason they showed both Castiel and Crowley “fizzling” out as they died and why these are the deaths those two species experience. The fizzling out essentially indicates that their essences — the things that make them “alive” — are obliterated.

So that brings us to the speculation portion.

Is This What Season 13 Has in Store for SUPERNATURAL?

In order for this speculation to proceed we have to assume something extremely specific: that the versions of both Crowley and Castiel as we know them are truly dead and they will not be returning. However, I think it’s unlikely that both Mark Sheppard and Misha Collins are actually gone from the show permanently. How, then, do you bring one or both of them back?

In addition, let’s see what Andrew Dabb told EW before the finale: “There are some things that happen that impact strongly and directly on the [Winchester brothers], while at the same time, we are starting a new chapter in the show, [though] not in a way of erasing what’s come before,” Dabb says. “I think it’s something that will be a natural progression of what we’ve done but also cool and different and hopefully give us a lot of energy going into season 13.”

How does one start a whole new chapter if one or both of Castiel and Crowley are simply resurrected somehow (even if it takes work to make that happen)? That seems like the same old chapter to me.

Again, this is pure speculation on my part — but what if the new chapter involves the Earth 2 versions of Castiel and/or Crowley? What if, somehow, these supernatural creatures have inhabited the same vessels (that seems a bit farfetched in a world where the through-line from point A to B is completely different, but let’s assume it’s the case). What if Mary and Lucifer somehow come across one or both of these alternate versions of Castiel and Crowley at some point early on in season 13?

And what if the Winchesters find a way to open up the portal once again (with or without Jack’s help) and out comes Earth 1 Mary and Lucifer and Earth 2 Castiel and Crowley? Then E2 Cas and/or Crowley need to figure out a way to live on E1…

Such a situation would shake up the dynamics of the show. The Earth 2 versions of Castiel and/or Crowley could be entirely new characters in a way that Demon Dean or Soulless Sam weren’t. It’s the ultimate nature versus nurture argument — there will likely be some similarities to the characters that we know, but they would have gone through an entirely different set of circumstances. They live in a world where the apocalypse happened. They have never met Sam and Dean and have never been affected by their friendships with them. They are how to introduce entirely new characters while still utilizing the same actors. What we know of Earth 1’s Castiel and Crowley does not disappear (in other words, Dabb is not “erasing what’s come before”), but we would be starting a new chapter with semi-new characters.

If this doesn’t happen and somehow Cas and/or Crowley is simply resurrected using Jack’s powers or there’s another explanation (like one or both of them were inexplicably switched somehow with their counterparts and didn’t actually die), then that would be the worst storytelling choice the writers could make. Bringing back the same characters is not new. It’s not bold. It’s a cop out of the cheapest order and it would be cowardly for the writers to fall back into old, stale patterns. The show needs a shake up and this would be the best way to do it without resetting the whole mytharc. Earth 2 would also give the writers the opportunity to return other deceased characters in new ways and to show us how these characters would be different for not having had Dean and Sam in their lives.

SUPERNATURAL has a limited shelf life left. Eventually the show has to come to an end in the next few years. It’s simply inevitable. If we assume that there’s a clock ticking down somewhere, Dabb can opt to continue the status quo for another few years. But I wonder if he chose a different route instead. Again, this is pure speculation, but it would breathe a new shot of life into the show’s supporting characters and find a way to shake things up.

SUPERNATURAL will return this fall for season 13. Hopefully by the time Comic-Con rolls around we’ll get some indication of whether this speculation is completely off base or if it’s possible.

In the meantime, what do you think? Is this speculation completely off base or do you agree? Or do you have some thoughts of your own?

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  • Patricia Munoz V.

    I don’t want Castiel back, I want Bobby back, and I will miss Crowley but I think it was a good redemption for this beloved character.

  • Dana

    Hi, i just wanted to say my own theory about what you called earth 2. I think that it compleats the scene between Dean and Marry when he blamed her for starting every thing because of her deal with Azazil. I think this justifies Marry’s actions and gives a great meaning for the Winchester boys

  • Carrie Asimov

    Frankly speaking…Sam and Dean are alive, yaay, unencumbered by the complications and machinations of all those who passed, ESPECIALLY MARY. I plus many others, ARE THRILLED to know that she is dead. FINALLY. Her storyline was tired, ridiculous and pissed MOST people off. Glad she’s gone. Now if we could just get some good storylines, scary monsters and exciting hunts back for the Boys, life will resume with the Family Business. I did like that if Crowley had to go, that HE dictated how. I am sad about Cas but maybe they will find a way to bring this Angel back, I liked him.

  • Karen Binder

    I’m sorry, but Archangels are implied to have the power to resurrect normal angels. Raphael told Castiel that Lucifer may have resurrected him instead of God, so Raphael, an Archagel, believes that atleast Lucifer has the power capable to do that. That was from season 5 episode 3.

  • Melaniedesi

    I thought that Mark was going to be on MacGyver as the main villain now? I think that Crowley, at least, is really gone. Maybe you’re right and this is TPTB way to keep MS & MC around when its been obviously increasingly difficult to incorporate their characters into the storyline. I find it difficult to believe that MC is just written off. But that really will shake things up. Or resets it – back to when the Winchesters didn’t have supernatural beings as friends or frenemies. Maybe the stint on E2 will take Lucifer down a peg or two. I hope Mary isn’t killed and she and E2 Bobby come over into E1. 🙂

  • Melaniedesi

    P.S. On my HD you can see Castiel’s wings very clearly. It was sad.

  • Marc E. Belloni

    Remember there is another nephilim out there (the kid who killed people based on the superstitions his parents told him about). I wonder if they will make one good and one a baddie (Jack). That seems like a cool throwback to add to next season.

  • Stan Eisen

    Honestly, I haven’t watched more than one or two episodes this year. Even though I had my TV set to automatically come on whenever it aired, I’d just change the channel if I was home. Having said that, I’ve NEVER missed an episode prior to this year. Not one. For me, after God and The Darkness arch, it was all over. The show went too far into trying to please the feminist/progressive/gender equality crowd and became unwatchable. (That will probably trigger a few hateful comments, but I don’t care). I don’t say that to be sexist or mean spirited, but come on, the show has always been about the 2 brothers overcoming evil. From the start, it was a masculine show, two guys kind of traveling the back roads in a muscle car, killing monsters, lots of plot twists and archs. It became very cool when angels were introduced and I loved every moment of it. This season, the two men who have successfully beaten the devil himself and saved the world on more than one occasion were bested by a 105lb blonde from the UK and had to be saved by their Mom? Nobody in their right mind would call that likely or feasible. I get it, the world MUST show a “Strong Female Lead” in EVERYTHING from now on, for all time, from this point forward. I’m actually ok with that and encourage it. I’m not afraid of strong female characters or strong women in real life, but let’s at least present them in a realistic manner!!! This was a common theme in the few episodes I saw this season. After that, I checked out. I don’t think I’m coming back either.

  • Clarissa

    But we know that it was God and not an archangel who brought Castiel back. That was one mention from season 5 and it was merely an implication — this confirmation about God came from just last season. There’s never technically been any proof that an archangel has this power, while there is demonstrable proof that only God does.

    Plus, when Castiel died at the end of season 4 he was not stabbed with an angel blade — he was exploded. It’s not necessarily the same death and according to the transcript from 5×03, Cas immediately dismissed Raphael’s suggestion.

    Again, I’m not saying I’m 100% right, I’m saying that this is the best way to start a new chapter with the show. Simply resurrecting Castiel and/or Crowley is not a new chapter — it’s the same chapter as before and then their deaths would have just been a temporary glitch. If that was also the case, then what was the point of introducing the multi-verse? Why couldn’t Crowley have just done a spell and locked both Lucifer and Mary (accidentally) in the cage? Why show us an alternate Bobby and introduce this alternate Earth just to serve as a prison when there are other dimensions they could have gone to that are known to us? It seems like a waste of expanding the show’s universe.

  • Lorie Heller

    I agree with you. Castiel is written as too gullible and makes bad decisions because of it. I want the Winchesters to solve problems like they did before they had supernatural friends. Season 13 would almost be like the Winchesters starting over. I like Crowley because he is a good foil for the Winchesters, Cass is not. What surprised me about episode 23 is that they didn’t show any one escaping from the vortex into the Winchester’s world during the time there was an opening. As for Jack – why is a nephilim so powerful if he is half human?

  • percysowner

    For the record, NOTHING about Amara and The Darkness was in any way, shape or form feminist. But thanks for the insult.

  • I want to see and E2 version of Cas who is not gullible and soft but strong and decisive from years of battle on E2 in its apocalypse. I think getting Mary back while trying to prevent Jack from ruining E1 is going to be a big focus of next season. Jack.. from the glimpse we were given at the last seconds of the show appears to be Castiels last mistake! Bobby will be back as E2 is going to be a big part of S13 as well. I think the multiverse angle is going to bring new and interesting possibilities to the show and the longevity of its future. Love live the Winchesters!

  • dontae johnson

    I think they should add diffrent chapters of the men of letters, IE: French, Russian, or even Spanish, that would be an intresting plot twist.

  • Amos

    In the greatest plot twist of them. A way to finally give cas the chance to do the right thing and one of the biggest slams in the universe to lucifer. Let’s say a certain two very powerful beings had been watching… if u remember at the end of last season before the final battle with the darkness. The boys ask God to whip up some new archangels. He tells that that all though it’s not impossible to do. It just takes some very rare stuff and time.. well how wonderful would it be for jack, lucifer’s very new pride and joy actually turned out to be god and amara’s first attempt at creation together. A very brand new type of archangel!!!!! Bam. That would insure that for the first time ever cas made the right choice and a very big lesson to lucifer nobody is above us….

  • Mike Rech

    Pretty sure that Mary won’t die in E2, as this world is in a permanent fight between heaven and hell. Don’t you guys think that the moment you see lucifer getting angry(red eyes) could aswell be the moment where heaven realizes that they got an archangel down there? Or maybe the lucifer from E2 comes and they fight til there is only one real lucifer left xD

  • Judy Taylor

    Totally agree about Mary but my fear is that she isn’t gone. I think they’ll have the boys rescue her unfortunately. I think Cass will be back somehow but I hope Crowley stays gone. It would be great if it’s a changed Cass, more like in the beginning. I wish they had dumbed Sam and Dean in Earth2 instead of Mary. It would be great to see them with alternate Bobby and some new scary monsters. I’m sorry but finding care about Jack, especially if he’s all sweet and light, that’s no fun. My other fear is Cass will stay gone for awhile leaving the boys to raise Jack. I can already see sappy Sam as mentor scenes. Dean will focused on grieving for Mary again.

  • Frank Xiangyang

    I think when Jack is born , he used power to show Mary the future therefore Mary knows the future that she will punch Lucifer few times to get him into the E2. Then Mary did punch him and they are both in E2. If that is the case, it implies that Jack does want Lucifer away, and the last scene shows he is hiding in corner might be sad that his mum is dead because of him and he can not do anything about it. And for Cas, when Jack showed Cas the future, it is not the what Cas said in ep 23, it is the future that he saw Lucifer is sent away therefore thought it is for the best thus helped her. Just some guesses.

  • Laura Hovind Fulcer

    Cas spent time in E2 before coming back, when Kelly asked him to tell her what he had seen of the future, he seemed to be repeating lines. I think the Cas that was killed was the E2 version and the E1 version is in E2 with E2 Bobby, and together they will send Mary and Cas back to E1.

  • Clarissa

    Let’s assume Cas was gone for an hour (it doesn’t seem like it would be longer than this because Kelly was in the house). The Cas who came back out of that portal not only knew the names of both Kelly and Dean without anyone else saying them first, but he knew A LOT about the situation overall. He talks about taking a doula class (why would E2 Cas need to have known about that?) He talks specifically about Sam and Dean having saved E1 and how that was why E2 was different. He knew enough about what was going on in E1 to have thoroughly convinced these people who knew him very well that he was still the same Cas. And the show itself flashed back to the scene in the playground, which would indicate that we were all remembering what happened to Cas. So I get this speculation and have seen it floating around, but it would be the laziest and most contrived bit of storytelling. How would E2 Cas have known all of this? Did E1 Cas just tell him his life story in such a short amount of time down to the most minute details? And how did he convince the others that he was still E1 Cas? I’m not saying it’s wrong, but if it’s true it would be an utterly contrived bit of retconning and it could take the writers jumping through *a lot* of hoops to explain it all away. Personally, I would be extremely disappointed because then nothing would have changed.

  • brian

    the human soul combines with angelic power is a powerful thing. remember angels and demons dont have SOULS but protect and crave them for a reason… power

  • vitina

    No matter what Supernatural brings to the table for the next season it will not be a disappointment. We’ve seen a lot of stuff in Supernatural in the past almost 12 years. Angels, Demons, Heaven, Hell, Lucifer, Souless Sam, Deanmon Dean and so much more. I have no doubt about the next season and seasons to come. The only suggestion I would make is fanfic. If the writers want new and fresh ideas read over some fanfic and hope for inspiration to strike.

  • Erika Callahan

    Jesse wasn’t a Nephilim. He was the child of a demon and human… Referred to as the Antichrist or Cambien in the script.

  • Anneke Rozs

    I think it was E2 Cas that came through and was killed. That’s why the wing scorches had feathers. We know that cas had his wings damaged. That leaves E1 Cas, Mary and lucifer trapped in the alternate universe.

  • lolwate

    All I can say about Supernatural now is…. bye Felicia. I have watched from the beginning but won’t be back for season 13. The last few seasons have been running thin on me anyhow, season 12 was really unrooted. Now with everyone but the Brothers gone I see no future.

  • lolwate

    I hated season 12 because it had no real story arc.

  • Daninuyasha97

    Hey I have a theory for season 13 ….

    What if the Winchesters are supposed to teach Jack ( nephilim ) about hunting & humanity, with some demons tempting him. Then he goes back to that meta world frees Mary & kills both Lucifers. Maybe that vision wasn’t for the Winchester’s world but for that meta world. He just needs to learn from the Winchesters & Castiel. I think Castiel will comeback but go with Jack to help him like he helped the Winchesters during the Apocalypse. It seems that Jack is connected to that meta world. Just a theory I had in my mind. What do you think?

  • Amber Taylor

    He wasn’t a nephilim. Jessie was just the spawn of a demon. Lucifer is an archangel which makes Jack a Nephilim. Nephilim get their power from being half angel, so Jessie being half demon doesn’t make him a nephilim.

  • Amos

    That kid is Jesse turner and he is not a nephilim. He is a cambion (half-human half-demon) or in other terms the antichrist.

  • Matt Cebada

    Remember Crowley performed a spell before taking his life. This spell could mean coming back to life.

  • Stella919

    i hope cas remain dead. i liked him.. but he is a little stupid.. i m pissed about crowley.. i liked him a lot.. but.. i suppose.. we will have the same thing in another version in season 13.. the brothers.. will bring (once more.. the same ) the apocalypse in order to get their mommy back from the other world .. so.. they will find a way, to open again a door.. and lucy will come again to this world and will all over again start the apocalypse story (i really hope to see something different in next season, and not the same story in another version, that we watched, for so many seasons now).. i am also happy that mommy winchester is gone.. to the other world… she was the worst mother ever.. poor boys.. i hated her character.. i don’t want her back.. and i hope her sons leave her alone there.. this nefelim thing, i hope its good. it was a very good season because both brothers stayed alive.. and together.. hey.. writers.. bring God back.. just for a little…

  • Stan Eisen

    I find it interesting that you’d be insulted over a random opinion and for that I apologize. I think you misunderstood me. I didn’t think anything about Amara/The Darkness was feminist at all. In fact, I think she was the best thing to ever happen to the show. I found her character to be believable and plausible. If she existed in reality, I wouldn’t be surprised if Emily Swallows portrayal of her was absolutely accurate. I think Emily turned in one of the finest performances I’ve ever seen in her role as Amara. She gave her layers of emotion, vulnerability and strength in a wonderful way. Emily should have won countless awards for her work there.

    My opinion about the forced or implausible (and yes dare I say Feminist) turn the show took was AFTER The Darkness. As I said, I just cannot get behind Sam & Dean being constantly defeated by the ladies from the UK. They are human females, no supernatural powers and haven’t faced the range of opponents that Sam and Dean have (Including the Lucifer, Michael and even God Himself!). That is where they lost me. Then to top it off, they had to be saved by their Mom.

    Let me be clear, none of that upsets or offends me, I just don’t find it plausible or worth watching anymore. I LOVE strong Female leads as long as their strength isn’t somehow based on making Males appear weak for the sake of making a social justice point. At that point, I change the channel. To each his own.

  • Ann Marie Williams

    Azazel could come back from E2. He seems to have depth of character that could be developed more. If he is not answering to a greater “boss” it could be an interesting development.

  • Jt Segur

    Misha even said. Cas has a future. Don’t worry. Cas will be back.

  • Jt Segur

    And no I hope Mary stays gone. Some of the worst acting I’ve ever seen Tbh.

  • Morrigan Aensland

    I want Death back. Do you think he is dead?

  • Mytreasurechest Toyours

    Crowley comes back as an angel . earth 2 cass goes to earth . Mary hooks up with Earth 2 bobby and decides to stay on earth 2 . earth Lucifer needs mary’s help to fight earth 2 Lucifer. Jack starts to drift to an evil Jack but views his mom video and changes his mind . men of letters UK big boss shows up . hmm Little boy that could change reality ( past show ) by thinking of it comes back .. possible that he brings earth Cass back .. becomes the “new” god ? gives the world a clean slate .. ex: mary john are alive … sam dean never become hunters and live a full happy life ? final show 😉 aliens are real ..

  • CJ

    I don’t think Crowley is dead. I think he transferred himself to the rat somehow.

  • Nellie Spector ?????????

    A normal life might be good for the characters, but the characters aren’t real and it makes for lame storytelling and a boring time for the audience. I understand people are really attached to and emotionally invested in these characters, but seeing them happy and living a normal, well-adjusted life is OOC for the show and fan service. Sam and Dean can never have a normal life. People who have been through all the things they have been through would never be normal or fit in with normal people. A clean slate ending would make everything they did pointless, it would almost be as frustrating as an ending like: “Sam and Dean were in a coma the entire time and it was all a dream.”

  • Nellie Spector ?????????

    A certain subset of wannabe activist viewers have been falsely accusing the show of misogyny for years due to female characters being killed. In order to make this argument they have to ignore a. that male characters are also killed constantly, b. all the one-off and recurring female characters who haven’t been killed, and c. the format of the show involves 2 lead characters who live a semi-nomadic lifestyle traveling through the country + a handful of recurring supporting characters, which makes it difficult to shoehorn in more recurring characters. Not to mention many times when they’ve added female characters the fandom has reacted extremely negatively if there’s even a hint of any possibility she can be a love interest for one of the guys (especially for either Dean or Castiel). I recall a lot of hate against Meg, Bela, Lisa, Hannah, even to the point where people were harassing the actresses on social media. So I call bullshit on the fandom’s concerns about misogyny on the show, when the fandom itself is guilty of it.

  • rml

    I want to see Michael or Gabriel back

  • Courtney Esarey

    No one mentions or remembers that in season 12 Cass kills Death, which is supposed 2 bring about cosmic consequences? Nothing ever comes of it this season but who’s 2 say it wont come about in season 13?